Jeff

Dammit locutus...this is a Federal issue and you kibbitz on state budgetary policy! You are like a chatty cathy doll...the Locutus Doll, pull the string in the back and he says "Taxes! Taxes!"

Reading the book I really respect Buddy Gray. I also think Buddy Gray was a realist. Poor people need somewhere to live, too, and I don't think anyone whos not poor want poor people in their neighborhood...which is why you see oppostiion to public housing and section 8A...NIMBYism would mean that the ideal of an economically integrated community...would never happen. This ideal of integration is also pretty contrary to over 100 years of urban growth in the US, where the pattern or track-record seems to be that cities sort themselves out by socioeconomic status and ethnicity. So, in the general scheme of things, Over-The-Rhine was mostly the neighborhood of the working class and poor, and pretty much that way since the 19th century, when it first developed. The place was (with some exceptions) and still is a lower income tenement district. But that might have changed w. gentrification pressures....a city was sorting itself out yet again by socioeconomic status and class.... Gray was confrontational becuase I think he correclty saw gentrification as a threat to the down-and-outers he served...if he wasn't that way the money and power in the city would steamroll him...

That lawn would be a great place to fly a kite...

The missing link is the one between this park and Yeatmans Cove/Sawyer Point......if I was desgining it I would really focus on that connection or try to "make the connection" somehow.... OK, not super avant garde, but they have some intimate spaces in it based on the sketches...also, interesting a how they break from the formal allee to a "savannah" informal woodland transition to the lawn.. ...not quite the "Grant Park" solution, but they still keep the "urban front yard concept" I just think the opportunity to connect this park with the other riverfront parks to the east was lost...

LOL!

Actually all the DFAS stuff nationwide is being consolidated as alot of payroll activity is being automated, so don't take it as a political slight... Dayton is loosing a DFAS activity, too... The DLA site at Columbus had an advantage as it has a fairly new (underutilized?) facility supporting a purple suit activity so dovetailed nicely into the emphasis on jointness in this BRAC.....and to move stuff out of DC and out of leased facilities....

So what is the plan for Over The Rhine nowadays? Is it to remain a low income area, be gentrified or some sort of mix? Incidentally, I recently finished reading a book on the neighborhood, Changing Plans for Americans Cities, Cincinnati's Over-The-Rhine and Twentieth Century Urbanism, by Zane Miller and Bruce Tucker...the book ends in the 1980s, with an epilogue into the 1990s, before the riots. It seems the 1980s denoument was that OTR was going to stay a low-income housing area. There is alot of discussion about someone called Buddy Gray. Jim Tarbell also figures in the book (there is a pix of Tarbell that is quite a shock given his current look...in the book Tarbell sandals, vest, and a long thick beard).

After what happened to the old Longworth plant, I thought for sure this E. Third plant was a goner too, but it looks not.

>The groups joining forces on the project are the Air Force Research Laboratories at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Cornerstone Research Group, Crayex Corp., the Dayton Area Graduate Studies Institute, EMTEC, National Composite Center, University of Dayton, Vector Composites Inc., WebCore Technologies and Wright State University in collaboration with Ohio State University Research Foundation, as well as several other businesses around the country. They have been trying to do this technology transfer thing for some time now. This fed into Hobsons "pork barrell" strategy to get new facilities for the Materials Lab on WPAFB...

I didn't know Toyota was a big employer in Cincy?

Stranger Than Paradise, tho set in Cleveland doesn't show the city very well...I seem to recall alot of snow. The Deer Hunter was filmed in Tremont, I think, as a stand-in for Pittsburgh.

The list said "Sprindale"..isnt that in the suburbs near Tri-County mall? A question now arises as to if there is "choice" in the voucher holder's selection of places to live. Is there a form of de-facto "redlining" going on, where landlords refuse to rent to voucher holders? The question of suburban voucher clusters. If they are in apartment complexes in "good neighborhoods" or school districts is that a bad thing? In a sense tho the complex itself might have a concentration of poverty the kids are going to good public schools and the parents are probably closer to job opportunities as alot of these are in the suburbs to begin with.

I know where I am going to be at noon on Saturday. The quilt show is a great draw for this, too...

What's a flying 40?

Things are getting interesting in Dayton for sure..white water..they need to run that raceway down the Mad River from Eastwood Park.....end it downtown at Riverscape..... Im glad to see this too..the one in downtown South Bend was sort of a neat concept...

This is a real interesting concept. Im familiar with that area..its got an interesing gritty vibe going on....& that Middle Earth project sounds good too as those guys seem to have a track record. Check out the other projects at cddcinc sitte..they have a few Dayton projects, too....

No. Cleveland is too big to be a real college town. It is still pretty corporate and industrial. The NE city that has the possibility of repositioning itself as a college town is Youngstown, as YSU is, I think, the major employer there now.

You obviouslyb didnt read my post as I was talking about education and knowlege transfer too...selective reading on your part, no doubt. some were some werent and some were a mix.

I somewhat agree with Locutus, if we are talking about "picking winners" through some sort of industrial/buisness investment policy. However, investing in infrastructure and human capital as an economic developement strategy is what Ohio (& other states) did in the 19th Century. The state support of canals, munciple and, in some cases, state support of railroad construction, and the land-grant college and ag extension system were all about using govt. revenue to support communications and transportation infrastructure, and to provide the knowlege base for economic growth via R&D, education, and technology/knowledge transfer (thats what the "agriculture extentsion" concept was about). Since California was mentioned, it was fairly heavy public investment that made ag and urbanization even viable there, but the state college system also provided the intellectual capital and innovations for agribiz in the state. Not so much hi-tech, tho, as it was Stanford that led to that buisness being located in the Bay Area. So, there is strong historical precedent for state support of economic developement. I am leery, though, of a state subsidized venture capital fund.

Isnt their a geographic concept that divides a downtown into the CBD and the "frame area"? Seems that these definintions include the "frame area".

...and do we want people like that in Ohio? The vally girl types? I think the concept is to attract and retain the a more creative types, not the airheads.

^ If you have a job the cost of living is great.

I...ts the smell of jobs and a good paycheck every week.

...then there was that band T-shirt that the late singer for Braniac used to wear..(or so Im told).... "Fuck Y'all, We're From Dayton Ohio".

... ...hah. aint that the truth. I never ever undestood the Florida appeal, especially the inland areas. Though, to be fair, i do like the older parts of Pensacola....(less than six blocks inland, tho, so doesnt count!). Yeah, dont call it "cool Ohio'...call it "Real Ohio" or "Deep Ohio"...beyond the negative and also the bland superfical stuff to the heart of the state. I recall there was a series of guidebooks 10 years ago called "A Travelers Guide to Inner Ohio", which is sort of what yr getting at maybe.....???