Jeff

Oddly enough I probably would put "Trace" in my top 10. Others that I like... "Fishermans Blues" by the Waterboys "No More Forever" or "A Different Kind of Love Song"...Apolitical or Political Dick Gaughan, depending on my mood. "Liege & Lief" by Fairport Convention ...oh..well...hmmm.... "Greatful Dead Europe '72" "Gillian Welch, Soul Journey" "Lonesome River Band, One Step Forward". "Richard Buckner, Since" "Blue Highway, Still Climbing Mountains" ...and for a SW Ohio local color, Dave Evans..take yr pick...Greatest Hits is pretty good, but I like his "Highway 52 song" from his Dave Evans & Riverbend compilation.... "From the old Queen City/ To New Boston Town/ Ironton & Old Hanging Rock/ I've been to every town/ I've played every stage/ Travellin' out on Highway 52" (or something like that) "Dave Evans and Riverbend will be live in concert on Saturday, March 5, 2005 at Bobby Mackey's Music World at 44 Licking Pike in Wilder, KY 41071. Doors open at 6:00pm and the show starts at 7:00pm. Tickets are $10 at the door."

Well, they had more than two interurbans here. The more I study the growth of Dayton the more I notice how the coming of the interurbans really set off a suburban real estate boom here in the years before WWI. As for this proposal I have not heard more about it.

Four or five years ago there was an attempt to beef up the local tool & die industry via something called the "Tool Valley Initiative", which involved sort of management consulting/joint ventures, marketing, education programs, and so forth, so as to build up the capacity of the local industry and help in compete better...and then that "Tool Town" concept that the city of Dayton had as a buisness incubator and industrial park for new machine shops. But it seems this concept was dropped as an economic developement strategy. Probably realistic as alot of this tool & die work is moving overseas. Losing this industry isn't going to be a big bang like what happened to Youngstown and its steel mills, as its small & decentralized, and it wont happen at once like a big mill closure, but the effect will be just as bad. The tool & die industry is equivilant to Wright-Patterson in money pulled into the local economy, and in employment. Right now the only good economic news for this area is that WPAFB doesn't seem to be on the BRAC list. If WPAFB is a receiver base it might pick up some units relocated from elsewhere (assuming this BRAC round isn't voted down), which would mean more defense spending in the area.

...interesting that UPS is not going to be building in Louisville. The UPS hub in Louisville has had a big impact on that city. First was the airport expansion, which forced road realignments and the removal/relocation of entire suburbs due to flight path/noise considerations. Second was the job boost from the hub itself (and aircraft maintenance facilities) Third was the secondary non-UPS industry the hub brought in, like warehousing/logistics and the developement of a warranty repair industry. #################### From regional perspective the Cincy/Dayton area still has that former Airborne hub over in Wilimington, which is now a branch of DHL, which is itself a major airfreight operation (interestingly enough DHL is owned by what used to be the German post office).

Wow! Urban revival in Ohio..bigtime! The Jeffrey Place site is pretty extensive, too...

thanx! but, from dflys' pix....man, why would they want to tear down that old apt building? Room enough for both it and infill....it must be a real wreck if they couldnt renovate it...(or so the developer says).

this is a dupe thread. Just delete this one...there are pix on the the other one already....

McPhersontown west of Main Street is pretty solidly built up, but east of Main there is alot of vacant land...lots of abandoment and teardowns left lots of open space. Heres an example of a brand new infill in east McPhersontown, taking advantage of a stunning view over the levee toward dowtown and the Riverscape fountain. Not too sure about that big garage on ground floor, but like that its more a modernist take on a townhouse vs the period revivals one usually sees (tho they are pretty good, too). But this building is a hopefull sign that infill is starting to take off in the downtown and surrounding areas. Wright-Dunbar was the first big example, I think, but this is the first one in McPhersontown....

So, they are actually going to build it....

A .pdf of the RUDAT plan was floating around online, too. Springfield deserves better. It does have some pretty great older buildings.

...i have that one, too. Two true expressways and the Norwood Lateral. And then a bunch of "modified freeways". Actually I have a number of the books mentioned... The one I like the best is that two -volume Bicentennial Guide...it takes in the suburbs as well as the older neighborhoods. It was a great intro to the city when I first moved to the area.

I've walked by the Bay Horse a few times...that stretch of Main is sort of old-school ungentrified downtown. I think the real issue here is yukky poor/marginal people. Sure, one could shut down the Bay Horse, shut down the residential hotels around it, and then the people who live in them can be homeless and will continue to be source of annoyance...but maybe not on that block of Main Street.

those chimneys flanking the dormers...wow...a great example of Cincys exuberant old architecture.

These graphics are actually pretty good...

Cincy is just really running w. this urban living concept......color me "impressed"! I am so glad to see this happening!

From my experience riding the Red Line, I don't see it as a street-level type of operation...the way the old Shaker Rapid is (Shaker is sort of a hybrid between a light-rail "streetcar" sort of operation and a heavy rail rapid transit system). The Red Line reminded me alot of the CTAs old Skokie Swift. Although the Skokie Swift was a shuttle (from Howard to Dempster Ave, with no stops in between) it had alot of "Red Line" features....one car trains, overhead wire (at the time), but "heavy rail" construction and operation, with high-level platforms and high speeds. It was not really a "street running" kind of rail line.

Well, Im impressed. It looks like urban loft rehab is really taking off in Cincy....this is a good sign.

Those underdeveloped Scioto bends seem to me to be a special peculiarity of Columbus geography...the pattern of development seems to avoid the river except right downtown. Probably due to flooding, I'd guess.

Well..maybe. I did like the suburb I lived in in Louisville as it was surrounded by forests and hills and dead fields and free flowing creeks, some of it parkland, otherwise dead land, and there was a branch library within walking distance (which closed, unfortunatly). So, I spent alot of time outdoors hiking and exploring this countryside. It was a real novelty coming from the flat urban world of Chicago. Yet, this was sort of a unique experience, as most subdivisions where or are not like mine. In terms of having things like playgrounds, ballfields, and even a swimming pool (not to mention school, church, and corner stores & Five & Dimes) within walking distance I think my old neighborhood in Chicago was OK. Three parks and a pool within walking distance (this was an indoor pool, though). I think the park district had things like crafts classes, swimming lessons, and such at the parks, too.

Now this building..... .....would look great at some busy suburban strip intersection, with neon trim and perhaps a billboard worked into the design.

I'm not sure I'd do that to a neo-Georgian building. The funny thing about UC is that it used to be the southern half of Burnet Woods. Talk about a missed opportunity to develop a forested urban campus.

This reminds me I need to book my hotel room for CommFest.

Maybe they should just concentrate on corridor or regional services with states that want to partner w. the Feds to do this. I really don't see any sense in long distance passenger trains, particularly cross-continent ones... when flying is quicker...

That is one very nice neighborhood. I never knew it was there.

You know those floodwall murals are online...since Porstmouth is a bit far you can take a virtual walk along the murals Here are some samples....these murals are pretty durn good....