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Absolutely! And I gotta say I'm positively shocked the former owner guy wearing a tracksuit couldn't get the place back to the glory years ;-)

^ I wouldn’t think that statement would preclude a set-back tower on site. It sounds like he’s just assuring the building will mostly remain intact.

^ I'm convinced the rest of my life is going to seem like the same way it began....like a series of acid trips lol. Thanks AI (and Kroft Superstars). The past few years I've been fortunate to see some pretty high level stuff with regard to A.I. One interesting thing is that as far as competition goes, Amazon views AI like a rising-tide-tide-lifts-all-boats scenario amongst the heavy hitters (Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc) where these companies will inevitably work in concert to control the floodwaters and the regulations. **Important to note the "boats" are not the consumer; it's them and their investors. Meanwhile Google's philosophy is to sink every boat except theirs!

Cast my vote for something substantial and mixed-use behind WSM.

I wanna say Forest City's original vision for TC expansion would've done something at least very similar to what you're suggesting. I was a big fan of the concept.

Momentum isn't necessarily a bad thing. Momentum in Tremont seems toward that post-industrial look, and again I get it. I just have always been fascinated by how aesthetics and design affect mood and behavior. Cleveland has had a reputation as an ugly place and while that's wholly undeserved I think we can all understand certain aspects or elements where that negative perception may have come from.

Thanks for responding! Okay so what's the first image that comes into your mind when you hear "drab, cold war era East German building" or "depressing Soviet era architecture." Is it muted or colorful? Anyhow I completely agree a reserved color pallet can be done well. And also that the wrong colors can be worse than no color at all (don't get me started on purple lol). You would think in a city that has SHW there would be some kind of suggested color pallet specifically for Cleveland. They had one for my neighborhood in Lakewood.

Honest question: will emulating how good transit systems do fare collection make RTA a good transit system? I'm nowhere near an authority on the subject like a lot of you guys here, but from my vantage point this whole thing is looking like a death spiral needing drastic overhaul for survival. I'm currently involved with a commercial product that is essentially given away, with the idea to encourage consumer reliance on the usefulness of product & its connected services. So far today more than 70M Americans own this product. The company is now going to monetize by 1. starting to charge consumers for services and 2. utilizing the products popularity and usage to profit in other areas e.g. advertising, retail sales and various commercial partnerships. I'm convinced this or a very similar approach is needed to save public transit here. But it obviously can't work if RTA is pushed to the limits financially; this kind of it requires a rich parent to endure phase one. In other words there needs to be a "corporate" restructuring for funding to allow for more outside of the "fare" box solutions.

Drab = depressing. And I don't even dislike the silver/grey, it's kinda cool...I get it, it's an homage to "industrial." But do any search like "happiest cities in the world" and you'll constantly see Helsinki, Copenhagen, Oslo and Stockholm. I wish more builders here would emulate how those cities utilize colors in context to their cloudy northern climate.

The homely 1970s building at Madison and Coutant that was a car rental place is all fenced off. This would be prime TOD and a good opportunity for Lakewood to reclaim some good urban form.

I too wondered how differentiated the crown would be. U of Akron's Polymer Building is very much so, but I think it works.

Oh yeah I'm very aware. I have a drawer full of lakefront plans somewhere (I have a little tiny bit of a coastal planning background) and lived in CLE for the whole Modell episode. Lots of trauma lol.

I'm way out of the loop, but trying to figure out why Mitchell would want to stay. Any chance he'll leverage his position with input over who coaches the team?

I think they may see it as a race. Soccer facilities in Cleveland seem like a relatively good investment and whoever gets a stadium off the ground is of course going to carry risk, but also give them a strategically advantageous position.

The "lakefront plans" and the Browns stadium history/drama: these two things are not mutually exclusive. They're both cause and effect of poor ineffectual planning that continues to haunt us.

You're talking logic, not politics.

This is the most depressing potentiality about the whole ordeal.

Actually you got to hand it to the Dolans and their clever preservation of 'DIANS in the name. So they add GUAR. What is GUAR? a leguminous Indian plant, grown as a fodder crop and for the gum obtained from its seeds See what they did there? Those sly foxes!

^ "Progressive" haphazardly slapped over the Jacobs logo....GUARdians a lazy makeover of INdians font logo lol. The Dolans have absolutely no taste whatsoever.

For the sake of history and the growing pile of long lost lakefront ideas: Cleveland — Historic Trolleys a Goal to Revitalize Downtown Sun Newspapers, January 12 2006 By KEN PRENDERGAST Staff Writer Jan. 12, 2006 Downtown Cleveland's lakefront soon could feature more than just new housing, offices and shops. It might gain an historic and fun way to get around. Later this year, a collection of antique electric trolleys of the former Trolleyville USA, now called Lakeshore Electric Railway, will be moving downtown. RTA has given Lake Shore Electric a green signal to build a car barn at the end of the Waterfront Line near East 26th Street. The 50-car collection has called Olmsted Township home for more than four decades. The $40 million collection sits behind the old Trolleyville USA lot on Columbia Road. All the trolleys must be moved by July, in accordance with a sales agreement Gary Brookins made when he sold the Town & Country Plaza and Columbia Mobile Home Park in 2001. Once the new car barn is finished, the next stop for Lakeshore Electric is to build a lakefront trolley museum, to display the impact trolleys made on urban development in the first half of the 20th century. And, it will explain Cleveland's importance to the streetcar era, as many cars used nationwide were built here, said Steve Frye, a consultant to the museum. https://heritagetrolley.org/planCleveland01.htm

Trolleyville if I remember correctly. I would imagine a world class aquarium would be a huge draw and a no-brainer in that location.

^ Always loved it. Does this concept exist in a separate universe from Gilbert's plan?

These are all great questions. Removing the stadium from the equation and adding all that available space probably should require a completely new assessment for a cohesive plan. In that scenario more delays are inevitable. But it is imperative they get this done right.

They didn’t choose north Olmsted

If that sort of retail goes to freaking Brookpark and not Tower City I'll be in jail because I'll just start punching random people.