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Thanks for the heads up! I'm curious, do you have any knowledge of the boardwalk being an actual boardwalk- with boards- or are they using the term generically and it's actually just a paved walkway? I only ask because some of the renderings don't look at all like any boardwalk I've seen.

I'd actually prefer for the arena to go in a spot where there can be spinoff; in an existing or future commercial district. I think the Arena District in Columbus would be a great thing to emulate. I tried to look for pics of the originally proposed College of Education building that was supposed to go there but couldn't find them. I remember the concept looking pretty cool too!

^ Oh man, that side of 668 building...it's just terrible! If I owned Hodges I'd be out there with a grinder every chance I got.

Thanks - I actually have a few hazy memories of the Brickyard.

Was thinking the exact same. Almost every building there could use a little tlc.

I don't know what was more stupid-er about that Woody's place; the obvious copyright infringement or the very "sly" penis reference.

Trust me, as a cyclist I appreciate the extra road noise!

I wish to join your Pro-brick lobby immediately. Where do I sign up?

Okay, Kiley and Booms just hung up on a caller who wanted to talk Cavs. It seems the only allowable topic of discussion is Browns DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT. I guess I'll be over at NPR for a few days. Bull and Fox is quality. re: KNR I actually like Aaron's opinions half the time. Fedor is much more abrasive in that he cannot deviate from his daily talking points.

Curious, can you see the lake from there? I'm afraid the waterside neighborhood I want to be in exists only in my imagination. However, I'm hoping that some day in my lifetime we can have a "Mystic Seaport" kind of thing going on here. Heck, I'd even consider a houseboat community. But right now the "islands" of potential are surrounded by too much blight for my tastes; at least in the places that are more intimate with the river. My urban pioneering days are behind me, as I've been gentrified by Lakewood. But what potential!

Ha ha. I saw Gottaplan already put a bid down on this. Seems he wanted to have an unobstructed view of his favorite Cleveland attraction: The Shoreway.

I think each of the 3 whiskey island proposals look great. I think I'm leaning toward the traditional suspension. I forgot about this article, very insightful comments by Litt. Thanks for posting!!

Now that's a worthwhile study. I think what I love most was the idea that Cleveland could accomplish anything; that there was a bold sense of pride along the shoreline. That, and the connectivity from downtown was not only effective but visually dramatic. At least, that's the feeling I get when I see those photographs. But one answer to your question could be the architecture wasn't designed to last, which is just unfortunate. Might be a parallel, but in Chicago the stunning worlds fair architecture was actually made of straw.

Thanks. To clarify, I'd need to own the space, my renting days are over and I love owning my walls lol. In my imagination, my place is perched over where the salt mines and Great Lakes Towing are. The Flats could be awesome, and more realistic, but I'm not sold either Bank is heading in the right direction for me personally. But I love what BP and future Stonewater represent; more people getting the chance to experience the great potential of the waterfront.

Every year the MAC games at the Q are freaking amazing, and this year was no different. p.s. GO ZIPS (the real action is in the NIT this year anyhow) :wave:

BP or Stonewater, I'd have no problem with the noise. Call me crazy, I'd like being able to see/hear the trains coming by. In Lakewood I'm in the flight path for CLE and get a good look at the planes landing. On a south wind I can hear the train and even the rapid. If I expect the noise to be a regular occurrence, I sleep just fine. My perfect place here would be one where I could have an epic view of the trains, the lake, the port operations, tugboats and ore carriers going by. To me that's what makes Cleveland interesting.

Right. This repetition is getting old. I often wish the shows would do some more branching out (talk more Tribe, CAVS, MAC, Horizon League, general NFL, etc.) instead of Browns overkill. But then again, maybe the Browns 24-7 is just a part of Cleveland. AJ we just may be in the minority. One consolation, the 24-7 Buckeyes topic of conversation in Columbus is even worse!

I like having the option now of switching back and forth from KNR and 92.3. I don't care how much I like a show, it's nice to have the option to mix things up. Triv is utterly impossible to listen to. He packed it in ten years ago. I have no opinion on how sports talk sounds AM vs. FM. But with live sporting events the commentators sound way too sterile-studio-overproduced-sounding on FM or Sirius/XM. The atmosphere ie "roar of the crowd" sounds so much better on AM.

This NIT field is really good this year, maybe the best in years. I'll be watching.

A sports and medicine facility fits in with their concept of the lakefront -at least this section- the cornerstone being a center of health, activity and wellness. I'm thinking aquatic center, walking/jogging routes and public space would fit in also. But as you guys correctly pointed out, because of the prime location any development absolutely must enhance and welcome public access to the lakeside, not restrict it. In California, there are stringent laws to prevent blocking access to the coastline. Here in Ohio, the public has no such legal protection and we are completely at the whim of the developers. Not good. For me personally, I would look to the Great Lakes Exposition for inspiration to build on (or recreate really). That was the best era for the Lakefront, however short. There certainly is room in Cleveland for that classic, boardwalk type waterside magnet with arcades and promenades. A place like that would be an absolute goldmine here. We have been missing that kind of special attraction since Euclid Beach Park. However, it doesn't look like North Coast Harbor is going that route though. But I can as least appreciate using the "sports and wellness" concept as building blocks. And we're going to need building blocks and some infrastructural ingenuity to connect the Lakefront to the rest of downtown. It won't succeed if it remains so isolated.

Yup. I read the comments section and if you think Cleveland.com is bad, Ohio.com is even worse.

Good catch! I'm sincerely hoping this is truly on the fast track.

^ If it helps clarify, I like Ford. And I do not consider it a "second rate" product. So if you read upthread, you saw that I was happy the County is considering Huntington. Again, my concern is that the potential of the LOBBY area- which is a considerable resource- that it should be utilized to the fullest extent.

BINGO. Exactly Okay so I see we've come full circle. I am certain people aren't reading upthread. IF there can be public access to the lobby that is great. IF they could somehow add a hotel or residential component it may be able to save the complex from remaining a huge DEAD ZONE on evenings and weekends. Like I said, I'm only hoping that the building achieve its greatest potential.

Not surprising at all. I'm not a Huntington customer, but I have visited county offices before (mostly the planning commission and the county administration building). The only time I have visited the Huntington Building was to show out-of-town visitors the amazing atrium/lobby. I would think that many more people flow through the county's offices (or at least the ones slated to move) each day than go into Huntington Bank's regional headquarters (including to their bank teller counters). They number of people who pour through tiny the county administration building each day is pretty remarkable. Its relocation to the Huntington Building will dramatically increase the foot traffic through it. Ha, I would show in-town residents the lobby. It's overwhelming, in a good way. I'm willing to concede that under County use, that more people will see the lobby. But again, those are people who were going to that locale anyway. It's great people get to experience the surroundings. But there is a zero net gain to downtown. On the other hand, if the lobby could be marketed in tangent with some new kind of attraction, then just like customers going to Penzy's and Crop in Ohio City, that is a net gain where the distinguished surroundings help serve as a destination.