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I found this passage particularly shocking: "...it appears that most of the people who lost their homes have moved in with relatives, found a rental or moved out of the city altogether. The county has lost nearly 100,000 people over the past seven years, the largest exodus in recent memory outside of New Orleans." Mentioning our city in the same vein as a natural disaster like Hurrican Katrina paints such a very bleak picture for Cleveland.

Old and broken down I can tolerate, but when somebody builds a brand new piece of horrific stupidity it is simply unforgiveable... I give you Club Cleveland http://www.visioarchitects.com/Images/Club_Cleveland_render.jpg And, it's evil twin, Christies Cabaret* *so disgustingly tacky, cannot even find it on google.

Such an awful way to treat what should be an historic showplace for the city. Really, I can't think of a worse place for a tacky strip club district. Way to go Cleveland.

Out of Place: an insiders perspective on the small, underground surfing community in Cleveland. http://www.wviz.org/index.php/WVIZ/applause/ The action starts at the 9:20 mark.

You're answering your own question!! That's my point JPOP, they haven't been committed to Cleveland, or even their own properties. It benefits everyone if they could, at the very least, take the lead on cleaning up their own yard and the areas surrounding.

Anyone else starting to think the IX Center isn't so bad after all? At least it doesn't block the waterfront. :wtf:

All right MTS... Please Forest City, please stand in the way of this project. Or at least continue to leave your riverside property looking like a neglected wasteland. Do nothing at all....continue to offer vague, indifferent, albeit slightly optimistic sounding commentary on the whole plan!!! Oh hell no.

Ha ha, welcome to our coastline everybody.

Great to see this article in print. An idea that's long overdue, and to be honest I'm very frustrated that it would take so long to become a reality. Forest City, please take the lead on this project.

Fine pics David...but man, I had to wonder if maybe a comet struck the city and killed everyone :laugh:. There's no signs of any living people in the first 24 pics!!!

Anyone else find these pics profoundly sad?

Since Ron Paul is off the list, I vote Jindal. KOOW I didn't read/hear anything in that clip where Jindal actually believes that earth is 4,000 years old or anything like that.

Cleveland is sort of a love/hate place to be a surfer. Most people here don't know this, but we can get some quality waves on Lake Erie. It can get real good actually, and on some days it's just like the ocean out there. However, that's more the exception than the rule. Most of the time our waves are small, weak and not very well formed. That's just the laws of physics for a smaller bodies of water like the Great Lakes. But the worst part is that there can be very long stretches without surf. Sometimes we'll wait months for anything even resembling a wave. We need storms right overhead to create them, and sometimes the winds we need just never materialize. Fall is better, but just when fall comes around it gets COLD fast. Like you can have some beautiful waves one day, and the next day the lake will freeze over completely like the Arctic. Time to find the cheapest tickets to Florida, Hawaii, Costa Rica, etc. But the reality is, the surfing culture here is one of the best in the world. Like water in the desert, when we do get waves we appreciate it that much more. That's why I've been contacted by the New York Times, The Travel Channel, Good Morning America and two major television production companies to learn more about what it's like to be a surfer here. I'm finishing a film on this subject called Out of Place. My ultimate goal is that more people will realize the hidden beauty in our coastline and come to appreciate it that much more. Here is my first blog entry and hope you like it. Please help spread the word!! http://outofplacemovie.blogspot.com/2008/10/chris-from-huntington.html Enjoy, Scott

Something doesn't sound right here. The Port needs so much more space, allegedly, yet the space it currently does have is underused. Then why the hell can't they sell the property to a developer who can jump start the Lakefront Plan?

Interesting, hopefully the size of the blades will lessen the impact. And it's more than just geese and seagulls, Lake Erie is a major migratory route for many species. Anyhow I'm looking forward to learning more from the upcoming study. thanks for posting. From what I understand this isn't an issue with large wind turbines. They would possibly effect some migratory patterns, but appropriate spacing may alleviate that. Your friend in Utah may be referring to the 70s and 80s era small wind turbines that are in the deserts of Nevada, California and possibly Utah(?). The science is very simple. The smaller the blade the faster it needs to spin to create the torque necessary for power generation. Large wind turbines spin relatively slowly and don't kill nearly as many birds as the smaller turbines, which have proven to be very effective bird murderers. This guy sums it up quite nicely... "Former CEO of Superior Renewable Energy John Calaway talks about the impact of offshore wind farms on migrating bird species during a luncheon on South Padre Island Sept. 6, 2006. (Ryan Henry / Island Breeze)"

Don't be suprised if the impact study on birds turns out to be the big, significant hurdle. I have a friend who researches this issue in Utah. He is pro wind, but said flat out that those blades kill birds. Knowing ecactly how the turbines location will affect migratory birds is going to be a heated topic.

My family moved to West Salem from NJ in 1991. I've lived there off and on since then, and to this day my dad still lives there. While it's not an exciting place, and I very much prefer living in Lakewood, so many of the people there in West Salem are very nice people, genuinely friendly and considerate.

This was at a meeting in 1994 between students at Akron and an influential member of the Sierra Club. It was all arranged by my professor, former Congressman John Seiberling. I am sure the viewpoint of this man was not the official view of the SC, however, like I said, he is an influential member. This guest speaker managed to alienate every student in that classroom with his radical beliefs on controlling world population, as well as embarass a respectable, good hearted liberal like Professor Seiberling. There is a book by Paul Erlich called "The Population Bomb." It was written at the urgency of David Brower of the Sierra Club. Here's an excerpt: "A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. Treating only the symptoms of cancer may make the victim more comfortable at first, but eventually he dies -- often horribly. A similar fate awaits a world with a population explosion if only the symptoms are treated. We must shift our efforts from treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently BRUTAL AND HEARTLESS DECISIONS. The pain may be intense. But the disease is so far advanced that only with radical surgery does the patient have a chance of survival." Anyhow, we wanted the speaker to try and elaborate on his views of this controversial passage. And he did. If you want to know specifics, pm me. If you don't want to believe me, then whatever. p.s. I did run into this same man last year on Earth Day at the Cleveland Zoo, right there at the Sierra Club booth. He has since backed off on his more crazy ideas, at least publicly. You can smear your ancedotal claims in this forum, but "infanticide" is not a policy of the Sierra Club. Do you have any idea how unbelievable that comment sounds?

Yeah KJP, thanks for posting these pics and ruining my day.

I remember "supporting" Reagan in 4th grade mock election. This made my teacher furious, but I was just echoing my mom's choice back then. She was a proud republican. I think she identified with the perception of rugged individualism, and being a devout Christian and Sunday school teacher, she embraced the religeous right. My dad's much quieter. And to this day I'm still not sure what political party he favors, if any. He's a Vietnam vet and 30 year union guy. He did recently say "the Republican's had 8 years to screw up the country, now it's Obama's turn...I'm voting for Obama." Anyhow, I find myself slightly more on the right side of the aisle. I'm still a registered ® but I'm pragmatic. I might vote for Josef Stalin if he had a realistic 3 year plan to revitalize Cleveland. But generally I lean libertarian favoring limited government, legalizing/decriminalizing drugs, 2nd amendment, civil unions, states rights. My pro life views are virtually identical to those of Ron Paul, and out of conscience I just couldn't vote for a pro choice candidate. I work for environmental causes, including great lakes and coastal issues, wetlands restoration and animal welfare. But since college I've been solidly turned off by how radicalized and out of touch many of the mainstream enviro groups have become. Right now global warming is hijacking everything, and it is my least concern among ecological problems. In college most of my professors tried to teach that violent criminals were actually victims of society. I appeared the right wing radical in many instances there because I believe well intentioned liberal policies and lack of personal moral responsibilty have helped devastate much of the inner city. I have friends who fall all over the political spectrum, in fact most of my friends are pretty liberal or even socialist. I know bigotry, sexism and idiocy transcend party. I hate dumb stereotypes about people because of how they vote. I have met reknowned ultra liberal biologists in the Sierra Club who viewed infanticide as a viable tool against overpopulation. I have friends who are arch conservatives who have literally risked their lives dodging bullets trying to help disadvantaged in the inner city. There are heroes on both sides of the aisle. If Obama does win the election, on the one hand I'll be proud of the accomplishment of our nation electing someone of African American descent. But of the two main candidates I have to go with McCain/Palin and that's how I'm voting. Anyhow, I hope I bored somebody. :wink:

Hi there. Just wanted to report that the new fare machine for the rapid on W117 wouldn't recognize my newer state quarters, then it wouldn't recognize any of the normal, older quarters either. Scott in Lakewood

Can someone clear something up for me...I distinctly remember hearing and reading that the new convention center, wherever it is built, it would not be sizeable enough to handle larger events, such as the auto show, and that would necessitate KEEPING the IX Center. Is this correct? If so, my question is, will a billion dollar investment in a new center be worth it if those large shows are not going to be brought downtown anyway?

Or at the very least, a white elephant. (wakka wakka)

Here's what's going on... Montgomery Burns Burns Slant Drilling Company. Mr. Burns, owner of Springfield Nuclear, has also owned or co-owned a number of business ventures including the Monty Burns Casino, "Li'l Lisa" recycling, an ocean slurry manufacturing plant, Burns Slant Drilling Co., Burns Media, the electric company, the water works, and a hotel on Baltic Avenue.

Leap night looks amazing!! Also, let me know how I or anyone else can help with the disc golf grant.