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I can no longer decipher when I am supposed to compare, and when the comparison does not apply. Simply speaking, run the numbers - a scatter plot might be helpful here - unfortunately trending upward but stabilizing. From a Vegas standpoint I suspect 2009 will end with 67 murders, but my outside money is on 59. Something must have been edited previously, but to clarify when I said the number reached the 50's 3 times in the 90's I was referring to 1991, 1992 and 1995. The number is triple exactly one time and that is only if the lowest and highest years are compared (1998 with 2006) - I would argue these two are outliers based on the 17 years of history in the report: 1991 57 1992 50 1993 43 1994 38 1995 52 1996 32 1997 41 1998 28 1999 32 2000 40 2001 63 2002 66 2003 75 2004 68 2005 79 2006 89 2007 68

To show that numbers that are close to what we are seeing today have been seen before. The 50's were actually hit 3 times in the 90's. Remember I am simply pointing out the change is not as drastic as some would like. You were making ridiculous claims that the murder rate tripled. Be honest - if I did not check you on it you would be spewing the 15 murders in 2000 and use that as your baseline. Your obsession with Cincinnati really wears thin at times.

Yeah, just a couple of Ph.D.'s working with the city. This is actually a summary of the Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV), which was modeled after work done in Boston. It is fairly simple to figure out the rates - in 1990 the population was 360,000, in 2000 it was 331,000, and now it is 332,000. Divide the differneces by the number of years between to estimate by year. For 1991, 57 would have been a rate of 15.8 at 360,000 and 17.2 at 330,000 (in 2007 it was 19). Still not as drastic as some would like.

http://www.uc.edu/CCJR/Reports/CIRV_Interim_Report_2-08-08.pdf See page 24. There was a jump, but when you consider there were 57 murders in 1991 and that 28 was by far the lowest number the change is not as drastic as some sensationalists would have the public believe. There were indeed 40 murders in 2000. 1991 57 1992 50 1993 43 1994 38 1995 52 1996 32 1997 41 1998 28 1999 32 2000 40 2001 63 2002 66 2003 75 2004 68 2005 79 2006 89 2007 68

The number was 40 for 2000 - I have not found 1999.

I actually think the number of murders were in the 30-40 range in 1999-2000. You should just consider yourself lucky that crime did not jump after the Toledo riots. And from your standpoint, I'd think you would be more concerned with Toledo's over 10% unemployment rate than Cincinnati's crime rate.

Right ... I don't see what's so hard to understand here? I have no idea.....

Memphis is really the exception as it is also the second most dangerous metro in the country - basically they have a lot of crime throughout the region. Cincinnati has seen an increase in the murder rate, but was not even in the top 25 of the most dangerous city rankings in 2008. Stating facts is not really laying blame, and to think that annexing suburbs would not decrease crime rate does not make sense. We all know there is work to be done, but the picture is not as melodramatic as it is being described here. I know this has been discussed before, but if someone could draw concentric circles and analyze the data at specific intervals, that is the only way to make a valid comparison. The key with Cincinnati is that the numbers seem to be stabilizing, and hopefully with initiatives like the Boston approach we will see the numbers come down. Safest and Most Dangerous Cities of 2008[5] Safest 25 Most Dangerous 25 1 Ramapo, NY 1 New Orleans, LA 2 Mission Viejo, CA 2 Camden, NJ 3 O'Fallon, MO 3 Detroit, MI 4 Newton, MA 4 St. Louis, MO 5 Brick Township, NJ 5 Oakland, CA 6 Clarkstown, NY 6 Flint, MI 7 Amherst, NY 7 Gary, IN 8 Greece, NY 8 Birmingham, AL 9 Allen, TX 9 Richmond, CA 10 Colonie, NY 10 North Charleston, SC 11 Irvine, CA 11 Cleveland, OH 12 Lake Forest, CA 12 Baltimore, MD 13 Chino Hills, CA 13 Miami Gardens, FL 14 Toms River Township, NJ 14 Memphis, TN 15 Cary, NC 15 Youngstown, OH 16 Frisco, TX 16 Atlanta, GA 17 Sugar Land, TX 17 Compton, CA 18 Thousand Oaks, CA 18 Orlando, FL 19 Round Rock, TX 19 Little Rock, AR 20 Orem, UT 20 Minneapolis, MN 21 Troy, MI 21 Washington, DC 22 Missouri City, TX 22 Philadelphia, PA 23 Gilbert, AZ 23 Jackson, MS 24 Edison Township, NJ 24 Newark, NJ 25 Cranston, RI 25 Milwaukee, WI

Personally, the murder rate does not concern me at this point as it seems to be stabilizing in the 60's and 70's range for Cincinnati, although the 50's would be ideal. As the FBI points out each year it is difficult to compare cities as some have annexed outward while others have kept their small, original boundaries, among other factors. For example, if Cincinnati followed the model of other regional cities and suddenly incorporated Hamilton County it would be one of the safest cities. There is obviously work to be done, and lessons to be learned from other cities, but I do not think there is any reason for panic. Here is the most recent FBI data from 2007 (it is released in September) on the top 20 murder rates per 100,000. Where the numbers are the same I assume the order is based on the decimal value. For some reason data was not available on New Orleans and Kansas City, and what sticks out to me is how much higher the rates are in the top few cities. If you look at the entire list online you'll see that Cincinnati, while ranked 13th, is much closer to the city ranked 50th than the city ranked 1st: Detroit 46 Baltimore 45 St. Louis 40 Newark 37 Washington 31 Oakland 30 Philadelphia 27 Atlanta 26 Buffalo 20 Cleveland 20 Miami 19 Memphis 19 Cincinnati 19 Milwaukee 18 Pittsburgh 17 Houston 16 Dallas 16 Chicago 16 Jacksonville 15 Mobile 15

Exactly - I actually think he is a little more intelligent than the arguments he makes on radio, but the fact is many of his listeners take this seriously. And much of this is broadcast to many other parts of the country, and many people outside the area think he is being serious. To think his view does not color the opinions of many suburbanites is naive. His on air persona of a race-baiting, bible-thumping, xenophobic, homophobic, ultra-conservative ideologue does the city no favors.

There is really no defending Cunningham, he is a buffoon no matter how you slice it.

I have eaten at the Rosa Mexicana at Altantic Station and thought it was pretty bad (as I try to be polite). I would vote for an ESPN Zone and one of the bowling alley concepts. In my mind they really need a massive indoor/outdoor beer garden that pays homage to the German heritage and also is reminiscent of the old, gigantic Second Street bars. Being that close to the stadiums, river, city...and especially in the warm months, it could be an awesome atmosphere.

Hilarious - I have a lot of good memories of what was a strong music scene at that time. Today is not really bad either, but there does not seem to be as much energy - or it could be I am married with kids and get to very few shows.....

Thankfully you are not a music critic as many seem to think the Whigs were one of the best bands of the 90's. MTV did something like a half hour show and interviewed bands and stopped at places like Sudsie's. The bands of the time were indeed the Whigs, OTR, Ass Ponys, Wolverton Brothers, and Throneberry (among others). The story in Spin was also trying to find the next hot city, and Cincy and San Diego were featured as the most likely candidates. Part of it was the time - once Seattle broke, people wanted to be the first to identify the next "it" place. I cannot find any stories online, although I see Spin did another nice story on local bands last February. The newer spin story actually mentions the speculation on the music scene in a blurb under Know Your History: http://digital.spin.com/spin/200803/?pm=2&z=fw&pvieww=1012&zin=153&u1=texterity&search=Spin%20Magazine%20on%20Cincinnati%20bands&pg=122 What the #$%@? What, was this based on the Afghan Whigs or something? That band sucked. 90s rock is forgettable. Where's my anti-nausea fructose.

Part of it has to do with recalling '93 when Cincinnati was going to be the next Seattle, at least according to MTV and Spin magazine - who did stories within months of each other on the next "scene". Anyway, going back to that era I have been listening to Archers of Loaf lately, and the music holds up quite well. They are from Chapel Hill, which was very close to being the next music capital at the time. A little Pavement, a little Pixies, with some Dino Jr. mixed in, these guys were the quintessential indie band:

^ Agreed - having grown up watching UC football this is the brightest I have seen the school's prospects for football. By the simple fact of being in a BCS conference they are now getting a shot at a different caliber of athlete. Next year will likely be a rebuilding year, but in two years they should challenge for the conference title again. This is not to say I am not disappointed by the egg they laid in Miami, but I do think they are building for the future. There is no reason they cannot continue to improve as a program and build tradition.

That explains it....thanks :-)

Your rants are definitely a little dramatic - not sure of your motivation as only you know that. The Big East won their past 3 BCS games (since the new schools were added) so I do not think one loss is a reason to suddenly dismiss the conference. Most importantly, based on the conference performance, including their bowl games the conference has been reaffirmed a BCS member through 2013 so you have a lot of boycotting to do. This will actually give the programs like UC more time to establish themselves. I also think the fact that the Big East is by far the best basketball conference probably helps them. Oklahoma also slaughtered TCU (lost by 25) and Texas Tech (lost by 42) by the way (I think UC lost by 26 by comparison), among many others.

Just got back into town, and it was a terrible time for the Cats to play their worst game. They definitely did not cash in on their opportunities. As mentioned at least the fans turned out - way more UC than VT fans. Great to see them out and about in Miami, South Beach, Lauderdale, and especially at the game. Maybe the Bucks can win Monday.

This study is not really a measure of how relatively smart or dumb a team is, but how seriously the school takes the term "student-athlete". Are they letting in athletes they know will never succeed, or are they providing some sort of academic support for example? Does the coaching staff value and support getting an education? This is a measurement of how in line the football teams are with the overall student population.

I bought four, and my wife and I are going with a couple of UC grads now in Jacksonville. Thankfully the flight is on Skymiles - work travel can actually pay I guess. We got a hotel in South Beach for $188 a night, which I thought was a good deal. This should be a great time. My guess is another 2,000 have been sold through other outlets as well.

I read an interesting summary from a girl responding to why she liked the Cincinnati weather instead of that of her hometown (on one of the Great Lakes), and she said she preferred 5 months of summer over 5 months of winter. Not exactly true, but I understood the gist. Once we get to the middle of December through the middle of February, outside of snow and ice being on the ground most of the time up north, there is not much difference. The lack of sun is also a bummer, and January seems the worst. At least in February you know spring is approaching.

I forgot to mention that - I stayed up and watched the whole game, and the clock issues were downright comical. It was a farce. Apparently the stories from the stands are worse (there was also some negative publicity last year with Fresno St. fans being abused) - I am surprised anyone made the trip after the 2002 game. I read that Dan Hoard's wife feared for her safety, and for good reason. Plenty of fights with the fans and players needing escorts out of the stadium. I remember Bob Goin said he would never play them in any sport ever again, but I guess Mike Thomas had to see for himself. At least they stipulated Big East officials, but I do not think this game happens again unless they make a trip to the Queen City.

Yes - that was impressive how they scored 19 straight with 10 minutes left after trying to give the game away in the 3rd quarter. Overall, with the bowl game already sealed, missing their best cornerback, best receiver, a starting offensive lineman, and with the starting QB sick and "puking his guts out" at halftime they found a way to win. By the way, I would not recommend for any school to make this trip - the distance, time change, and the team being a bunch of thugs make it not worthwhile. They could have called a personal foul every other play on UH. Pretty cool that Ohio has two BCS teams this year.

I personally do not see how Detroit could still be so valuable as a hub if the Big 3 fall. It is not just those jobs but all the industries that do business with them, and there would be a large, negative multiplier effect. Right now, I certainly do not like Cincinnati's position post NW merger, but I still do not think it is definitive that we are destined to lose the hub. Time will obviously tell. I actually would not want to see Detroit lose any piece of its hub, but am at least hoping to maintain here. And from the most recent numbers Detroit is about 4.5 million and trending down. 2004 4,505,536 0.2 8,105 59,546 38,617 11,685 -30,942 2005 4,503,947 0.0 -1,589 57,877 38,748 11,811 -38,646 2006 4,494,906 -0.2 -9,041 56,951 38,468 12,240 -46,461 2007 4,467,592 -0.6 -27,314 56,633 38,457 12,169 -58,017 Cincinnati, while only a little less than half the size, is at least trending up: 2004 2,084,740 0.9 17,768 29,571 17,711 2,244 -1,981 2005 2,103,108 0.9 18,368 29,433 17,855 2,248 -1,753 2006 2,121,128 0.9 18,020 29,695 17,950 2,346 -1,777 2007 2,133,678 0.6 12,550 30,011 18,042 2,316 -1,805