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Thanks for the photos. This brings back many childhood memories of playing and sledding, as well as high school memories of drinking and doing what high schoolers do. I have actually taken my kids there a couple of times, and think if they only knew.....glory days. I also recall seeing a few weddings in the Temple of Love - for some reason it was always a big deal to go into/onto it, and it is nice for a lunch spot.

The Breeders are not too bad, although I would have preferred to see Kim Deal playing in the Pixies. By the way Natalie Portman's mother grew up in Cincinnati, and I think her grandmother still lives in Hyde Park - just a tidbit of information.

For me it would be San Francisco or DC, just for the attractions, nightlife, and landscape. Chicago and Boston are up there, but Chicago loses on winter weather and Boston loses on the hard-shelled New England attitude. New York is definitely a great city, and in many ways, our truest city of all, but every time I visit I am ready to leave after a few days - too many people coming at you everwhere you go, and it almost makes me feel claustrophobic. Of course all these cities are the most expensive real estate markets in the country so that makes a move a little less enticing, considering any 20-30% bump would not make up for the double or triple home prices. BTW could the reference in the picture actually be meant for Megan Mullalley, whose character could "suck the alcohol from a deodorant stick"? I think she looks more like her.

No kidding - last I heard was Willie Anderson was thinking of opening one 3 or 4 years ago (I think). I will have to check the local one out.

Ah very sly - leave it open to interpretation. I was going to say Colliers is a pretty easy way to prove or disprove either claim, but I can go with that. I actually know a couple of scientists who relo'd from Boston and seem to like the space a lot, and I am a believer in this approach.

^ I assume this is a joke. This is a great project and indeed will be a big draw for UC - great photos.

It seems you are mentioning exceptions, and Memphis is the outlier. I still say that the rule is in general, income will go up, and poverty and crime will go down in cities that have extended boundaries. I agree that a true apples to apples comparison would be to have consistent boundaries. All population, poverty, crime, wealth etc. statistics should be done at 5, 10, 15, 20 etc. mile radii intervals from the population and/or geographic center. That would be a little more scientific in my mind.

Annex areas have nothing to do with poverty. I disagree as the areas you normally annex are more suburban (I also don't see much of a Democratic stronghold on the suburbs...) or open for new development. Also the point you seem to overlook with Toledo is that for a metro of only 600K (or whatever it is), it's city area is relatively large and probably has a suburban quality in parts. Also, for cities that are large in area that still have high rates of poverty I would say they are in more trouble than some cities that show up on the list. What is the cut off for "incredibly concentrated poverty" - Toledo was at 22.6% across a relatively large area for the metro, and my guess is it is even higher in the 38 square mile 1950 boundary. I will try to make it simple to clarify my point. For an apples to apples comparison - what are today's population numbers and poverty rates for all of the cities on this list at the 1950 boundaries? Cleveland and Cincinnati are basically unchanged so we already know those numbers. There are many factors for the numbers (such as housing stock), but these boundaries are probably what would be considered urbanized at that point. City Limits 1950 1. Cleveland: 914,808 in 75.0 square miles 2. Cincinnati: 503,998 in 75.1 square miles 3. Columbus: 375,901 in 39.4 square miles 4. Toledo: 303,616 in 38.30 square miles 5. Akron: 274,605 in 53.7 square miles 6. Dayton: 243,872 in 25.0 square miles City Limits 2000 1. Columbus: ? 2. Cleveland: 478,403 in 77.6 square miles (gained land since 1970) 3. Cincinnati: 331,285 in 78.0 square miles (same as 1970) 4. Toledo: ? 5. Akron: ? 6. Dayton: ? Very late I noticed the information on the other thread - if only you could get the poverty infomation. Here are percentage population losses by city from 1950 and 1970 (for those available), given the 1950 boundaries: City Percent loss from 1950 From 1970 Cleveland 48.7 36.3 Cincinnati 34.3 26.8 Columbus 35.0 30.1 Toledo 32.5 ?

In many ways, this study has the same challenges that studies on crime have, especially in the larger metros with very small city boundaries. These will always favor cities that have annexed or combined with the home county (or newer cities that decided to start with large boundaries), especially when compared to cities that have many true urbanized areas within the city limits. Regardless, I am happy to see Cincinnati take a significant drop - the variability of the past few years makes me question the validity but it seems from historical numbers this year is more feasible. An interesting study, similar to population patterns, would be to see how the enhanced cities would fare under the original boundaries. I also wonder if the Columbus number can possibly be right - 21% seems very high for a city that has such a large area with many of them being suburban.

I was just reading the latest issue of Chamber Connect, and it sounds like there are going to be a few additions to what they refer to as "America's Oktoberfest". Among them are extending this a city block to include the parking lot next to the Millennium, which will house the largest tent at Oktoberfest for a sports bar/beer garden. It sounds good to me.

Yes - I went to the Reds game last night and took a look, and it is now going to be really slow - apparently until October according to an earlier post. I have to quit paying attention as I just want to see some steel rising out of the ground. Maybe sometime in February-March I guess.

Let's not forget KI still has 2 coasters over 7000 feet long, and now 3 over 5000. I am not sure any other park can match that. I do think Cedar Fair views Cedar Point as their number one park, but if attendance trends continue they will continue to invest heavily in KI. I think Cedar Point edged out KI in 2007, but I think KI has had greater attendance more often. Either way, they are very close in attendance and two of the top seasonal parks in the country. I definitely would have liked Diamondback to be a little taller, but 6 drops over 100' is impressive.

Holy shoot - the Out-r-Inn, one of the few remaining places from the campus bar heyday? Or at least from when cool dive bars ruled the area.

I was hoping this would be at least 250' to differentiate it more from Behemoth, Nitro, etc. The logo looks great, and I am counting on the terrain to make this a more interesting ride than the B&M coasters in this height/size range. We'll see, but this is a great addition regardless. Now for that strata in 2011...

We went to the Saturday night semi as usual, and of course Nadal promptly lost after all but securing the number one ranking. At least the second set was good. This is also one of the first times we weren't sweating at 9 PM. It was a perfect night. Congratulations to Andy Murray on upsetting Djokovic. I do not see it online, but apparently the tournament was sold from a local non-profit group to assist in getting a tier one women's event. It sounds like they want one, continuous event by 2011.

jmeck - most of these developments are not recent, except for the drinking age (and that was still 20 years ago). Obviously recorded music has been around for a long time and scenes were still able to break. I look at festivals like SXSW and even Midpoint and it gives me hope there are still good bands out there making a living. Also, with the paradigm shift of how people get their music it is putting an emphasis on performing to make money so this should have a positive impact as well. More than anything, corporate radio has dictated the junk most people hear (this is depressing), so people have to learn to find good music elsewhere, and there are options. Corporations also dictate the use of existing versus new material, but they are not in the business of promoting a craft. I understand your overall view, but by no means would I consider live music dead.

This is a great point - if you stick to most terrestrial radio, and now even satellite to some extent you will get the same, lowest common denominator stuff. But with the options today, people can create there own playlists and find new, independent music at any time.

I think they are from Columbus - the Bogart's Halloween show was an annual thing, and it used to crack me up that soon to become bigger bands always seem to open for them here. I think Harold Chichester did some collarborating with the Afghan Whigs as well. They were a fun band.

^^ Yes those bands are the 90's. I remember seeing Poi Dog at Bogarts in '92 and then the Halloween show that year was Gin Blossoms, Too Much Joy, and RC Mob - the headliners.

I like that there are clear parameters, but I tend to put more credence in Rolling Stone's list. I mean London Calling should be on any top 20 list I think. A sample of their top 25 - this one is a 5 years old so I'm sure Radiohead is now somewhere toward the top. In my dreams Pavement starts appearing on these lists: 1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles 2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys 3. Revolver, The Beatles 4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan 5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles 6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye 7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones 8. London Calling, The Clash 9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan 10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles 11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley 12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis 13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground 14. Abbey Road, The Beatles 15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience 16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan 17. Nevermind, Nirvana 18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen 19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison 20. Thriller, Michael Jackson 21. The Great Twenty-Eight, Chuck Berry 22. Plastic Ono Band, John Lennon 23. Innervisions, Stevie Wonder 24. Live at the Apollo (1963), James Brown 25. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac

Cool - hopefully this gets picked up. It would be great if they delved into the music scene here.

I am sad to see Griffey go, but I hope he at least gets some post season play this year or in the near future. God knows he wasn't going to see it with the Reds. I wonder what the "personalities" on WLW will complain about now. From the talk show hosts to the sports announcers they have to be the whiniest bunch of b!tches I have ever heard. Brantley is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Related to edale's question, I read an article saying the guys who own Bang are getting ready to open Boss Cox (which I also read should open by fall) and also operate a place called Mainstay on 5th - has anyone heard of that? Maybe they can bring Nick and Vanessa back for the opening of Boss Cox......I inadvertently came across this and found it amusing.

Cool photo - there is at least some progress. I must say that I am pretty excited with this building going up as well as the new hyper-coaster going in at Kings Island (official details August 6th). It is fun when projects that make a statement are being done, even when one is just a roller coaster.

It all comes down to enforcement - Leis has made prosecution of sexually oriented businesses one of his platform staples. I dare say that many of the men frequenting strip clubs are not liberal - the reason they do this is they are basically horny with no ability to get the job done without paying. It has nothing to do with a political preference. The day I end up at a lunch buffet at Deja Vu is the day I admit I am a loser. I can see a bachelor party type celebration, but doing this with any regularity seems odd. I do find it amusing that Leis has basically lost his battle with the Flints and there is a Hustler store downtown. I also suspect this is not simply a couple dancing when the charge is promoting prostitution. This means there was some deal-making going on for sex for money. Personally, I would prefer to focus on violent crime though.