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In Cincinnati's case, I am happy with the 4.7 percent growth in that we have 95,000 more people than 2000 (I must say USA Today always does a nice job on this information each year). I do wish our leaders did have some discussion on how to improve this though. It seems this used to at least be a topic in the 90's, and we averaged .85% growth a year and now are averaging .76%. I think the booming economy and unemployment rate around 3% helped, but this is something that should be discussed. It would be interesting to see a list if you could use specific land areas then do a comparison - such as the number of people within 200, 500, 1000, 2000, and 3000 square miles. That at least would speak to a metro's density.

Great pictures - thanks for a walk down memory lane as this is my old neighborhood too. We lived on Fairfax and used to go to O'Bryon's and the Brickyard a lot - that pizza was great.

It always amazes me how negatively they present this story each year. In the mid to late nineties the story was always that the sprawl continues, but it never became a who's who of former disgruntled Hamilton County residents. The one thing that I do agree with is that the city and county leaders need to work together to get things done. And at least the metro is growing, although it would be nicer to be closer to the 20,000 per year instead of 13-14,000. I guess this will show on the census site soon. 2000 2005 2006 2,009,632 2,090,968 2,104,218

I guess I was looking for a silver lining to the sprawl. Ideally, we would adopt the Portland model, but since that is not going to happen the hope is that development patterns eventually favor the core areas. As monte points out, this got tougher in some cases with the eminent domain ruling, but it's all about location and I think the core counties have that going for them. In many cases it will take the people to reinvest in their own property, and if they do not want live north of Piqua or south of Burlington, KY this could be an option. Of course this is 20 years down the road and assuming we don't get a super loop around Cincinnati and Dayton, which could change things even more - this would be worst case but someone is going to float this idea. Also, we do not know what the next trend will be, and maybe anti-sprawl ideas begin to gain traction as part of the effort to preserve the environment and save resources - even if it sounds ludicrous today.

I agree that there are some positives that can come from this - in that we will have a larger metro with more federal clout. I have always had a hope that: 1) We would get a rail line between the two cities for better unity 2) Butler and Warren fill up fast due to oversized lots, warehouses, and lifestyle centers and their populations peak at 400-500 thousand in 20 years (since this sprawl is already happening anyway) 3) Due to those counties filling up, development and redevelopment are pushed back into Montgomery and Hamilton county because people are not going to go any further beyond the top and bottom of the metroplex This is probably wishful thinking, but anything is possible.

I used the WV county to point out the distance to which that EA extends, but let me make a broader statement. Columbus' EA population is about 800,000 more than its metro and about 600,000 more than is CSA. Its CSA goes all the way to Chillicothe, and I would venture to say that any population beyond that is not likely to go to a Blue Jackets game. I think it is fine to define an EA, but I am still not convinced of any usefulness regarding support to professional sports teams. I want to make it clear that I am simply using Columbus as an example because there are many that would apply. To me, the way to determine how much a city could support is by doing the market research. What percentage of Bengal's and Red's tickets are sold to people from Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington, or even Columbus and how does that percentage relate to the respective cities' population? Not every city supports their team at the same rate and not every team gets support for the team from the surrounding region. Or you look at actual attendance. Using the EA is tidy, but it does not really consider the market behavior. On the down side, my approach would be difficult to present in a 3 sentence blurb and wouldn't work well with the scroll functionality on the bizjournals site. And I think there is a possibility that Dayton could support a team if it were located so that there was some access from the Cincinnati metro. I remember there was a guy about 15 years ago that wanted to build an arena in Butler county for the NHL or NBA, but I am not sure he ever really had the resources to pull it off.

I am sure the Census Bureau has done their homework on defining "Economic Areas", but it seems like many do not logically make sense. For example, Dayton is not part of the Cincinnati EA, yet a county in West Virginia is part of Columbus (there are obviously some very large EA's). So the assumption, by adding the income of the people from WV is that they would support the Blue Jackets as they are applying this to sports teams. Are we to believe that as a percentage these people are more likely to go to a Blue Jackets game than people from Dayton are to go to a Reds or Bengals game? I'm sure that 2 hour drive on a Wednesday for the NHL is a common occurrence. I also think both the Reds and Bengals would be surprised to find that they sell no tickets to people from Dayton. I apologize for continuing the sidebar as this is way off topic....

I would say it's all relative - it's impossible to say when the undercounting began or how and if it fluctuated over time. I cannot think of any large cities that have not enhanced their boundaries since 1950 that have gained population since their peak. Only a few have recently begun to gain population from their low, with Atlanta being one - and that is in a booming metro. The fact is that people want bigger houses, bigger yards, and many are having smaller families, which all contribute to the lower population. I think in many ways, the change in number of households would be a better measuring stick for measuring stability in those cities. I think it would also take a comparison to those cities in similar situations (Atlanta, Detroit, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Boston etc.) Trying to compare them to cities that have doubled and tripled in area is not meaningfull because they are simply including more suburbs. Here is Pittsburgh, for example, and as a percentage loss Cincinnati seems to doing alright when you look at these cities. The 2010 Census will tell us if we have truly stabilized, but I can only imagine today's media reaction if we had the losses of the 70's and 80's. 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 Pittsburgh 677,000 604,000 520,000 424,000 370,000 335,000

Good for UC - maybe this will help to bring the general student body up to the level of the more specific and professional colleges (e.g. DAAP, CCM, College of Medicine). I would not agree that UC has as bad of a reputation as others think (even though I went to OSU), but each step helps. Here is some additional information: U.S. News & World Report Rankings The University of Cincinnati is ranked among the top 100 public universities in the nation. Rankings of specific colleges and programs: (April 2005 or most recent previous ranking.) Cooperative Education: 4th in the U.S. Pharmacy: 32nd in the U.S. Medicine: 42nd in the U.S. Nursing: 48th in the U.S. Law: 53rd in the U.S. Engineering: 78th in the U.S. Education: 78th in the U.S. Music and Arts Programs Opera/Voice: 3rd in the U.S. Musical Conducting: 5th in the U.S. Music: 6th in the U.S. Music Composition: 9th in the U.S. Orchestra/Symphony: 9th in the U.S. Drama: 37th in the U.S. Creative Writing: 46th in the U.S. Science and Engineering Programs Paleontology: 7th in the U.S. Environmental Engineering: 20th in the U.S. Aerospace Engineering: 31st in the U.S. Industrial Engineering: 37th in the U.S. Civil Engineering: 48th in the U.S. Materials Engineering: 50th in the U.S. Mechanical Engineering: 60th in the U.S. Medical and Human Service Programs Criminal Justice: 3rd in the U.S. Pediatrics: 4th in the U.S. Nursing: anesthesia 10th in the U.S. Otolaryngology: 18th in the U.S. AIDS Center: 26th in the U.S. Neurology: 28th in the U.S. Geriatrics: 29th in the U.S. Pulmonary Disease: 32nd in the U.S. Cancer Center: 33rd in the U.S. Rheumatology: 35th in the U.S. Endocrinology: 39th in the U.S. Speech and Language Pathology: 39th in the U.S. Cardiology: 43rd in the U.S. Audiology: 44th in the U.S

Sounds like there will be a lot of mental horsepower at Sully's tonight: CiN Live at Sully's Join us at Sully's (700 Race Street, downtown) for their grand opening celebration Thursday, February 15 from 8 p.m. to close. The event - hosted by Kendra from The Girls Next Door - includes a diamond giveaway (the first 100 ladies in the door get a chance to win a REAL diamond) and a champagne toast at midnight. Get free admission when you mention CiN Weekly at the VIP entrance.

Great work so far - could they finally be gaining some momentum on Vine? It just takes a few pioneers and then snowballs.

Math humor is fun - good to see some employees get the joke. Back in college, I knew a few people who worked at 5/3 part time. They always called it either the fraction or the improper fraction. One day, one of these guys got on the elavator with some other people, and he mentioned, "Does it bother anyone else that our logo is an improper fraction?" People weren't too amused by this comment!

First Financial is a pretty small bank so I imagine the cost for a complete makeover is not that expensive, relatively speaking. From the story it sounds like they were purposely doing something so a phased changeover could be done, thus no complete overhaul while allowing a change in the message. It is funny you mention 167%, I have been calling them 1 and two thirds for years although I usually have to explain it. Of course the Fifth Third name requires some history to those new to the bank - I suppose they could go for something completely innovative like naming it after the country in which it exists, specifically or in general (e.g. the US, America, National). Sure it's different, but maybe they could be North American Bank or Continental Bank or Bank of the States - that says cutting edge to me. :wink: They should probably get their money back from Deskey, and ask P&G how well their work on Tide and Crest did over the years. I guess ultimately I am fine with this based on the fact that this is a bank, and I expect they have done some homework on this.

Thanks for the update - still good news.

I guess McFadden's, Sully's, and The Lodge will have the same owner in Cincy. I have not heard of The Lodge but it should create some synergy being just across the street from McFadden's. Cincy Kid - how did you locate this blurb? I did not see this under the latest news, and it looks like the story is dated 2/12 (although I used your link to read it)? I suddenly feel like I am missing something and there is a way to get the headlines sooner....

It does not look like there is much change in the logo itself - I think the new color scheme is a little bolder. The integration will be interesting as it sounds like they are going to roll it out slowly - does this mean all the downtown buildings that have will remain the same for a long time?

Good news - I am not sure how much this affects the headquarters, but there should be some additional jobs. Hopefully, this gives more security to the North American HQ here.

I don't mind the retail area either - plus it is going to create another neighborhood center. Maybe not as charming or unique as Ludlow in Clifton or Oakley, Mt. Lookout, or Hyde Park Square but it is way better than the building that was there before.

That Oregon State game will be an intriguing match-up. We rarely see a PAC 10 team in the region so there should be some interest - if UC wants to get over the hump this is the kind of game they need to sell out. I wonder if Chad and TJ will show up for this one (provided they have a home game).

This seems like good news, and I expect Delta to be a much leaner operation when it exits bankruptcy. I now wonder what happens with the reported negotiations with Northwest, which could put our hub at greater risk than US Air would have. I had thought that was a diversion to throw another obstacle at US Air, but I have not heard anything on this recently.

It's good to see another crane around town - I noticed it coming down 471 to downtown.

Why not work around the buildings that are left - this is just greed by the one group that owns the former Arby's and Hardee's. I would have been more sympathetic toward Inn the Wood or Acropolis fighting this. It seems to me if/when they get financing there is still a lot of space to build on, and this was never one contiguous block of development. Again, however, I keep thinking why blight the area until you are really ready to break ground?

Call center jobs are generally not the ones that go downtown - these are $25K jobs on average while the average salary at corporate is $80k, but this is a kick in the ass. I am still pissed that they kicked out Cincinnati Bell (I think) who relocated many of those worker to Norwood, which is where Convergys pulled jobs from. Overall a questionable investment, but the company does now own the building. Considering that P&G, Kroger, 5/3, and Convergys own their real estate it is good because of the vested interest. I know Great American owns some, and I think Federated might own their building as well. At least it is 600 more jobs for the metro.

Comically, Airborne has been on HBO seemingly 20 times this month. It cracks me up that they portray high school hockey as being big at that time, and the whole race at the end is so out of whack in the order of streets and places. It did remind me of all the movies filmed here around then and that a scene was filmed at Krohn Conservatory - at the time I lived about 3 minutes away.

At least the Enquirer made mention of this, but it is interesting to compare their article to what the Post wrote. It seems like the Post is getting more positive: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070116/BIZ/701160344/1001 E-mail this Printer-friendly Subscribe RSS feeds Sully's Saloon to open downtown Post staff report East Coast Saloons, owner of the McFadden's Restaurant and Saloon chain, is adding a second eatery in downtown Cincinnati. Click on link above for full article. Publication date: 01-16-2007