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So the region added 24,000 jobs year over year, and the economy is stagnant. Am I missing something in this article? I wonder what Columbus would call adding 11,000 jobs. I also wonder why there are two sets of data that have recently been published, one in which we gained 10,000. In both reports Cincinnati is tops in the state but no mention of that in the Enquirer.

Man we need some defensive help - I am really hoping we see a lot of improvement and based on Marvin's history there should be. This team just could not get on a roll and was too inconsistent on both sides. The plus is that they will continue to fill the gaps and next season the schedule will be easier.

I realize this is from a couple weeks ago, but I had to respond. It's fine to have your opinion and want the city to work more on safety, but I feel like I am reading the Enquirer when you suddenly crown the city as the "Murder Capital". I could not find the information for 2004, but the most recent data I have seen had us with the 15th highest rate. While bad to be that high, it is not number 1. Additionally, we would have to go over 100 to even get close to the Birmingham, St. Louis, Atlanta, Baltimore, Detroit, DC, and New Orleans range. You are right that the preferred method is per capita to make the comparisons. They normally do it by the number per 100,000, which equates to 23.86 murders per 100,000 instead of stating it as .2386. In 2004 Chicago was safer, but I want to point out that you should feel lucky if you were not there from 1999-2001 when they hovered around 40 murders per 100,000 or 2002 when they were at 30 (2003 was about the same). The city has only recently reduced this rate, and while they are obviously headed in the right direction they have seen rates that would amaze people in Cincinnati.

Yeah...Toledo and the Lions are both great from what I hear.... This season is clearly a disappointment, but the team did not perform when they had to so I expect they would not have done well in the playoffs. It still would have been nice to have the chance. Buried in this are the loss of key starters such as Braham, Jones, Pollack, and Thurman (although Thurman screwed himself). I knew that damn loss against Tampa Bay would come back to haunt the team. And although his arm strength is there, Palmer seemed to struggle with accuracy all year - I think partially because of the revolving door offensive line not providing the same protection and partially due to mechanics causing a lot of overthrows. Hopefully they can get healthy during the off-season and get a couple of impact defensive players.

I am always a little concerned when they open a bar with such limited hours, like Bang being only open Wednesday's and Saturday's. I assume Mainstay will have Nick Lachey involved based on the previous ventures, but this is good to see someone doing something to add options to the city. I also think the parking lot between Fourth and Fifth on plum could be ripe for a new entertainment destination - maybe a packaged structure with Lucky Strike and an ESPNZone. If the bars and tentative restaurant/bar from the owner of Beluga do well there will be interest, and as much as most people on here are anti-chain (me included) these are the types of places that will broaden the market.

I cannot get past the fact that the whole comparison is not on equal terms, and I am going to make sure the writer of the article knows. Why go out your way to mention a boundary for "downtown" Indianapolis and not even mention it for Cincinnati? I think that could have resulted in some questions of the validity of the boundaries, as if the fact that the zoo is part of downtown shouldn't have. I guess I should be thankful that the size was pointed out at all. I want to stress that I think Indianapolis has done great things, but let's be consistent.

Rando - Not to belabor the point, but the area is even larger than 2.5 square miles. The area is 6.5 square miles and on the site it had a population of 19,000+ for the boundaries I stated above, which is where the number is coming from. I would prefer that we hyphenated all the areas - Downtown-Mt. Auburn, Downtown-OTR, Downtown-CBD, etc. It is of course, petty and ridiculous, but it is a way to market. This is also not to say we do not have work to do on downtown Cincy, but we at least are headed in the right direction with new condos and the FS redevelopment. Well that is where the comparison is unfair....the inner loop of Indy is roughly 2.5 sq. miles. While DT Cincy (Central Parkway to river, and I-75 to I-71) is only .75 sq. miles and that is rounding up! Once again it is another apples to oranges comparison. Measuring out equal areas (2.5 to 2.5 sq. miles) would give you the same in Indy (obviously), and in Cincy would give you in addition to DT Cincy: West End, OTR, DT Covington, DT Newport, part of East End! I am pretty sure that should you compare these population numbers then they would be much more equal...clearly those that live 2 miles out from the downtown core are not adding to the actual downtown liveliness.

Holy shit! I found the downtown Indianapolis site and this is what it covers: Downtown Indianapolis Facts Size- Regional Center covers 6.5 square miles -area bounded by 16th Street to north, Interstate 65 & 70 to east, Interstate 70 to south and Belt Railroad to west I dare say if you expanded what we call downtown Cincinnati to 6.5 square miles our downtown population would approach 40,000. Probably in an area less than that, with the West End, OTR, Mt. Auburn, Clifton Heights, Mt. Adams would be about 38,000. If you rotated the boundaries south to Covington or Newport it might be similar. This information shows how you can play with the numbers (and seems similar, if less formal, to annexing land to gain population as a city). I think this is a game Cincinnati needs implement.

I find it hard to believe Indianapolis has 20,000 downtown residents. There is no way there can be that number in what would be the financial district so this boundary known as the inner loop must be very large. What is the square mileage of this designation? We have previously mentioned this, but Cincinnati only considers a very small area, maybe .8 square miles. I think it about time we move to the Indianapolis and Columbus method and expand what we call downtown to 4 square miles or so - we would get a nice boost in downtown population. These apples to oranges comparisons really skew things.

While there are more traditional powers in the 5 other BCS conferences, I would not say the BE was weak this year in any way. They did have 3 of the top 16 teams in the final BCS ratings. Also, this is the most recent conference ranking, which is usually determined by the average strength of each team: NCAA Men's Football - Conference Rankings (2006-2007) Only games against Division I opponents are counted. Rankings update every 5 mins. Last updated - Fri Dec 8 18:40:18 PST 2006 Rank Conference Avg. Index Avg. SOS SOS Rank Teams 1 Southeastern 60.01 55.24 2 12 2 Big East 59.78 54.82 3 8 3 Big Ten 58.07 54.79 4 11 4 Pacific-10 57.07 56.48 1 10 5 Independents 55.45 50.00 7 3 6 Big 12 55.21 52.91 6 12 7 Atlantic Coast 54.14 53.49 5 12 8 Western Athletic 49.46 48.81 10 9 9 Mountain West 49.02 49.31 9 9 10 Conference USA 48.37 49.43 8 12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 Mid-American 44.26 47.04 11 13 12 Sun Belt 43.26 46.18 12 8 13 AA Great West 41.04 38.23 14 5 14 AA Ivy League 40.37 39.64 13 8 15 AA Atlantic 10 38.44 38.16 15 12 16 AA Gateway 37.37 36.58 17 8 17 AA Southern 36.50 36.38 18 8 18 AA Northeast 36.50 34.90 20 8 19 AA Mid-Eastern Athletic 36.15 34.96 19 9 20 AA Big South 35.75 32.39 24 5

Ignore this - I did not realize this had already been posted under Projects. This has been discussed before, but it looks like Friday's is opening downtown. Obviously not the most unique place, but it is good to add options to the list: http://www.wlwt.com/entertainment/10497780/detail.html CINCINNATI -- Another new restaurant is coming to downtown Cincinnati, and it's a well-known chain. News 5 has learned that TGI Fridays will open a location at Tower Place Mall next year.

This is good news - I hope they actually get something built this time and think they would definitely have a market for those who truly want to be in the downtown grid. Also, Scripps is actually 35 or 36 stories. Many of Cincinnati's buildings are shorter than they could be based on the number of floors. I would expect 15-20 stories to be 180-240 feet, but I am not sure if residential floor height is generally more or less than office.

Good win - let's keep rolling. Playoffs still a long shot with having to go to Indianapolis and Denver, but Marvin seems to have them focused.

The good is that there are still people working on this, and it is nice to get an update. The bad is that I do not think Monica Rimai has the passion for the development like her predecessors did, and I guess I do not trust her comments.

Ouch! Based on metro population trends the people above I-80 apparently like what's out there better. Kidding...I just missed this one yesterday. I do think it is funny how much talk this generated. Its still the most populated area in the state....so there! :evil: :-P Fair enough and you are right about Northeast Ohio, which is underrated for its population density especially compared to many newer metros/CSA's. Cincy-Rise - I think this thread shows that given enough time people can find insult in just about anything.

Great game although I was disappointed that the Bucks opened the door a couple of times with turnovers. I certainly would argue also who benefitted most from "lucky" calls. Troy Smith has definitely proven himself Heisman worthy and seems to thrive in the big games. If Florida and/or USC lose there could be some debate who deserves the the number 2 spot and Michigan will seem to be as good a choice as any one loss team. As a bonus, the Bearcats took out Rutgers to end any controversy of an undefeated BCS team not getting the championship game. Now we get to listen to the media debate the Bucks chances of winning the title for 50 days....it should be fun and mildly irritating.

Not sure if this has been noted, but the Dead Schembechlers are officially changing their name. Well, we are finally at game time, and I must say I have had enough of the hype, but this has to be good for Columbus with all the exposure. I just hope the students behave. For now I am headed to BW3's to watch the game, which should be a great one - GO BUCKS!

Ouch! Based on metro population trends the people above I-80 apparently like what's out there better. Kidding...I just missed this one yesterday. I do think it is funny how much talk this generated.

Baby steps - it is good to see politicians from the city and county working together. It is good to have some tension as a check and balance, but the recent relationship has been paralyzing. I do not foresee a full blown merger, but maybe some sort of uni-gov?

Uh, remember the context before analyzing - this is about the game. I think he is pointing out the fact that Cincinnati does not offer Ohio State the homogenized support that most of the state does. For example, Cleveland covers Ohio State much more than the Cincinnati media, almost as if it is a local team. In Cincinnati you will find a high number of prospective college students that will go to Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, and Notre Dame, not to mention the allegiance to local schools like UC, Xavier, and Miami. Just take a look at the flags around town. I suppose it has never sat well with the Statehouse that Cincinnati has chosen the moniker Cincinnati, USA, and I recall stories about it causing some issues in dealing with them. Regardless, the region is just different in that it covers 3 states with allegiances spread across many schools. Pat Forde has always been a bit of a moron and often cannot mask his support of the University of Louisville (as their local writer), but I guess if he responds we will see what he meant.

Who knows when it will go back on - I agree that it will when we reach gridlock. The I-71 line could not only be used to get people downtown, but the employment centers around UC (about 60,000) and Blue Ash ( I can't remember the estimate). Unfortunately, we have a populace that does not understand how a line improves the entire region if it does not affect them directly. I remember many calls on talk radio about people living closer to I-75 who would not vote for it because it did not help them. This myopic view generally hurts our ability to pass big picture initiatives, and unfortunately I do not think it has a chance until it literally hits people in the face. I am guessing around 2020 it would finally start to get some serious consideration. Of course, we will already be way behind the problem by then and by the way constructions costs for light rail seem to grow exponentially I do not think the odds are good. If there is some way to build a small, impactive portion that would indeed help sell the larger project.

You are right - there is no reason to not enjoy the good news. Whlle we unfortunately cannot say for sure the numbers are accurate, I still think at the very least the city is doing better than the original number and that is still great news. I also agree with your sentiment - we need more people who sell the city as citizens as they are the ultimate ambassadors. I think many buy into the Enquirer and WLW way of thinking (because negativity and controversy sell), but if the city leadership concentrates on positives and measurable progress this will change. He is a little quiet, but Mallory really seems to understand this.

Jesus - the second time this year the Bengals have gotten a terrible call at the end of the game. How was that not pass interference against Baltimore on the 4th and 4 play? I am getting sick of bad refs.

^ I agree completely - I wish we could get the real numbers so we knew with certainty what the population was. At the very least it seems that Cincinnati was not the leader in population loss from 2000-2005, and we will not have to hear anti-city voices go on about this every other day. I thought the Census was pretty detailed and dependable, but the more I learn the more it seems to be based on estimates and assumptions. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. With Federal dollars riding on these numbers you would think they would push for better accuracy as this seemingly would expose them to some lawsuits.

I am amused by all the posts warning Cincinnatians not to get too excited about the new numbers. No one knows how they arrived at the new numbers and can say for certain if the city actually grew or was undercounted 5, 10, or 20 years ago. The important thing here is that according to the Census Bureau, the city will show as having grown from 2000-2005. Two days in a row, the god-damned Cincinnati Enquirer had front page stories stating the city has grown since 2000. This is quite a reversal of fortune, and this is now fact to all the same people who took as fact that the city lost the highest percentage of population of any major city. If the city was simply undercounted in 2000 and continues to lose, we will see that in the 2006 estimate and 2010 Census (although I am not sure how much faith I would have if they were 22,000 off in 2000). I am sure it will be discussed then. Anyway, I think we all realize there are flaws in the system (and I think it is likely we have less people today than 2000), but today people who live in Greater Cincinnati are getting a different view of the city. And people who use Census data will no longer see Cincinnati as a city that lost population at the mid-point of the decade.