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http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061031/NEWS01/610310394 I can't believe it - the article by Gregory Korte could have been written by someone on urbanohio, especially the Apples to Apples section. Whatever the real numbers are, I hope the Enquirer's readers begin to understand that there are some nuances to comparing city information, and that many of the "growing" cities in the Midwest are those that have annexed or merged with the county. Also, by adding the newer areas and adding population the cities tend to dilute the urbanity, lowering the crime rate.

Good news all around, although I think there has to be some way to work around the liquor license issue with the "entertainment districts". Also, it would be interesting to learn more about the other classifications of liquor licenses - I mean at a ratio of 2000:1, Norwood would have 11 of the highest level (whatever it was called) and we all know there is a bar on every corner. This is probably another topic, but it would be interesting to do an analysis of cities that have not changed boundaries by annexing since 1950. Even with the old number of 308K, Cincy was still 60% of its peak while many are less than half and some approaching a third. I would think this could be applied even to the old boundaries of those that did annex. Of course we did not hear about 50 years of history, only the last 5 when we did the worst.

This is good news - I wonder if every time the Enquirer prints an article on population trends it will mention that Cincinnati is one on only two cities in Ohio to gain population from 2000-2005. I have no idea what the exact methods are, but they do mention missing new housing in the article. As a bonus the crime rate will also go down. All in all this should be a perception changer at some level.

^ I am simply pointing out that the school changed course, and it would have probably been better to have known this was a possibiltiy. If that had been done, at least the old businesses could have been operating a few more years instead of the eyesores and emptiness now there. It also might help if they clarified the reason for moving McGirr and Kull out, which seems a little fuzzy.

This goes without saying. I know you didn't miss my point that bad. Again, they are not legally here so they should have been removed already due to this crime, therefore preempting their ability to murder others. You're right about the majority of crimes. Actually, we do hear about them every day. There is a thread on this forum that addresses Cincinnati's crime problem and the saddest part of it is the murder rate. The fact they are American isn't what's news. When the murder is committed by an illegal...that is news. Incorrect, that's completely different, if the child were born in the US, the child would be a legal citizen...therefore not breaking the law by being here...and not as notorious in the eyes of the media. Do you have evidence that ALL hispanics in the area have been hurt? Try not to take it as propaganda...as stated above it is controversialism. The viewpoint and how it is expressed is part opinion part fact and meant to spur discussion, i.e. angry phone callers. 1) The point is regardless of them being here illegally or not does not make them more likely to commit a crime - the implication is that all illegal immigrants are bad, when the fact is most metros with a high percentage of Hispanics are prospering much more than those with low percentages. The Federal government has taken a "wink and nod" approach until recently - trying to enforce this at a local level only makes that region look intolerant. 2) Yet we don't hear "legal citizen beat a man to death today". I am pointing out again that they are perpetuating the stereotype that all illegal immigrants are bad. I will concede from a news standpoint I understand the headline, but WLW will pound on something like this for weeks. 3) Here is one of a few articles talking about the impact of the propaganda based on one of Willie's favorite people, Sheriff Jones. I don't know if this article mentions it, but at one point Cleveland sent representatives to recruit some legal (and I suspect illegal) Hispanic businesses, who are ostracized every time this issue gets hot: http://www.journal-news.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2006/09/19/hjn091906sheriff.html 4) I have said this before, but I realize Willie is in this business to create controversy and ratings, but many of his listeners buy his story as fact. Additionally, he tends to stump for political candidates who share his views (at least the ones he gives on the show) so I still see this a propaganda. I think our point of view is just completely different - you have a black and white interpretation - if they are illegal immigrants they are breaking the law and have to go. I believe that for most of the history of this issue, the Federal government has made them illegal in name only, while inviting the immigrants by their border security (or lack thereof). I believe that the unofficial US government stance is that they knew it was good for our economy and are just now taking it seriously as it has become a political issue. I also think that until this is finally enforced we should encourage the influx, and take advantage of the increase in population, buying power, and diversity. To be one of the only large metros to make this such a big issue of this (by talk shows, county sheriffs, county commissioners etc.) is just bad form. Hell -even Milwaukee had Hispanic day for the Brewers (or Cerveceros) and sold out the game - I am sure there were no illegals. I guess this should have gone over to the illegal immigration thread.

Sorry to jump in on this one, but I am irritated by the endless smearing of Hispanics on 700 (it seems to be the topic whenever I simply want to check in on news). Anyway, if a friend or family member was killed by an illegal immigrant, I imagine someone would feel the same as if they were killed by anyone else, distraught. The overwhelming majority of crimes in America are committed by people born in America, but we don't hear about the epidemic of native born people committing murder. Additionally, by the logic WLW is using, we could say if someone's great grandparents had just stayed in Germany or Ireland, their killer child would have never been able to commit the crime - it could be an endless cycle. 700's propaganda is bigoted because it hurts all Hispanics in the area, painting them with a broad brush, legal or not.

This situation pisses me off - I have been thinking the exact same thing - why buy, raze, or let places sit empty when you are not ready to build? It has already been debated about UC's financial responsibility on this, but I think the project was counting on much more money from the school to get this started. When they changed their approach when McGirr and Kull "retired" that was probably the kiss of death. For all the preaching that Nancy has done about developing the immediate neighborhoods around campus, this missing piece of the puzzle detracts from a lot of the new development in other areas. It is right across the street from UC and does not look that inviting, and I think it hurts the school's chances of landing prospective students. It actually is the one area that has gotten worse than it was 3 years ago. I guess I am surprised the school would pull back on the one of the most high-profile areas.

My friends in Columbus said this was quite a story there - it was not shown in many places because ESPN wants more cable providers to pick up their experiment gone bad, ESPNU. Apparently the station has very little market penetration. In Cincinnati, we will hear even more about it later this year as the Crosstown Shootout will only be shown there. They are refusing to let any local stations pick up the broadcast, and I suspect they are doing it in selected football and basketball matchups around the country. This is probably a good strategic move, but I find it pretty underhanded and hope the move blows up in their face. I went to the BW3's at Rookwood, and all the staff had ESPNU t-shirts only making the plan more obvious. Hopefully people will just go to sports bars or pick up the station (since they will pro-rate it for a day or two on providers that have it as part of a premium or sports package) for only the game they want and drop it again. Enough complaining - go Bucks!

I always think of the whole crew as a bunch of crass guys telling jokes to each other like it's 1950, and it is alright to refer to a female co-worker as a "broad" who is supposed to get them coffee. The top bufoon lives in Indian Hill, courtesy of hamiltoncountyauditor.org: Tax Dist 064 SYCAMORE-SYC FD-IND.HILL-00940 School Dist 6 INDIAN HILL EVSD Land Use 510 Single family Dwlg Finished Square Ft. 3696 Acres 1.190 Appraisal Area 60019 SYCAMORE 19 Year Built 2001 Total Rooms 7 # of Bedrooms 3 Full Bathrooms 2 Half Bathrooms 1 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Property Information OWL WOOD LN 150 X 320 LOT 12 CONCORD HILLS SUB SEC A Owner Information Call 946-4015 if Incorrect CUNNINGHAM WILLIAM D & PENELOPE R 8036 KELLER RD CINCINNATI, OH 45243-1040 USA Tax Bill Mail Addr Call 946-4800 if Incorrect FIRST AMERICAN REAL ESTATE TAX SERVICE 1721 MOONLAKE BLVD HOFFMAN ESTATES, IL 60194 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Board of Revision No Homestead No 2.5% / Stadium Credit Yes Divided Property No New Construction No Date 7/19/01 Conveyance # 0 Sale Amount $0 # of Parcels 1 Deed Type 13 SE-Survivorship Ex Deed Number 942904 Other Assessments Yes Front Ft. 0.00 Mkt Land Value 143,500 Cauv Value 0 Mkt Impr Value 535,100 Mkt Total Value 678,600 Total TIF Value 0 Abated Value 0 Exempt Value 0 Taxes Paid $8,941.45 (See Payments Tab For Details)

The Bengals obviously should have scored more so a call at the end would not affect the outcome, but I cannot recall ever seeing a roughing the passer on a sack. It looked like a fumble, and that would have been the game - it's one thing to lose, but on a questionable call....f**k.

I completely agree - I know two people who moved over to Ky as part of a great deal with new jobs, and they moved back a year later. I have seen this guy from the data center make this quote before. I would say most people who move in Ohio are moving to other parts of Ohio within the metro. Northern Kentucky is doing great in some development, but it is not exactly considered a hip, hot place to move to (not that Ohio is that hip either). They do have some of the same advantages of the suburban Ohio counties - plenty of room to build. Back to the topic, the city needs to continue to promote new housing and condos to slowly "move the needle". I also agree that this is a vicious cycle - as a region we need to adopt more smart growth to promote re-development and investment close to the city or what is new today will have the same issue in a few years, especially considering the lack of quality and poor aesthetics of some of these developments.

I did not see this posted yet, and for some reason the online article has been pared down from a featured story. FYI - Paycor is a privately held payroll processing company and seems to be doing well among the giants such as ADP and Paychex and even institutional record-keepers such as Fidelity who are expanding into this field. They currently have 240 employees at the Holiday Office Park in Queensgate (400 total), recently expanding to over 50,000 square feet. They are predicting 300 new jobs in the next five years, and although Queensgate is not the CBD proper it is very close. http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2006/09/25/story1.html Strategy on the money Acquisitions, big growth put Paycor in fast lane Cincinnati Business Courier - September 22, 2006by Dan MonkSenior Staff Reporter Mark Bowen | Courier Paycor CEO Bob Coughlin thinks the company could be Cincinnati’s next Cintas, in terms of sheer growth. View Larger Paycor Inc. is expanding its headquarters as it embarks on a growth plan that could generate hundreds of new jobs and triple company sales to more than $100 million by 2010. The Queensgate payroll processing firm already has tripled the size of its business in the last five years by acquiring two smaller competitors and opening sales offices in nine new cities...

Well put - I would also encourage people to go. Everyone could learn from the Freedom Center's message as well as the very important history lesson it provides.

With the 3 in Nky Greater Cincinnati actually has 15. This is one thing that bugs me, I remember when we simply used to be Greater Cincinnati instead of Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky - it gets confusing with what area someone is referring to sometimes. Of course I could be interpreting the information incorrectly in the article.

I will add the story when it is available, but today's Courier points out that Humana is now adding 650 with these additional employees for a total of 1300. They do discuss potential sites, including Keystone and a new building at Baldwin. Hopefully they find something acceptable within the city, but any time we get more jobs it is good.

It looks like the NFL, who I am sure looked at this more carefully than any of us can, decided the push in the back did affect his trajectory based on their opinion. The fact that he turned to avoid helmet to helmet contact also helped.

^ Personally, I was dumbfounded that Modell would move with the fan base he had in Cleveland. Like I said before they are more loyal, but I am not sure about the misery index.

I would simply ask if the Browns have had 14 years in a row with a non-winning record? And most of these seasons were over by the halfway point, but they would get hot sometimes and get close to 500. If you at least get to the playoffs I would not consider that complete futility. I can think of a few AFC title games the Browns were in and think as long as you sprinkle some success in you keep fans coming back. Show me a string like this and I will agree. There were 7 seasons with at least 12 losses, which is hard to do. By the way, I am having fun with the "we sucked more theme". Maybe all those seasons did have value: 1991 3-13 1992 5-11 1993 3-13 1994 3-13 1995 7-9 1996 8-8 1997 7-9 1998 3-13 1999 4-12 2000 4-12 2001 6-10 2002 2-14 2003 8-8 2004 8-8

As an Ohio State fan, I have found the Rookwood BW3's (I can't get used to the Buffalo Wild Wings name) usually has plenty of fans rooting for the Bucks.

I agree that the Browns fans are more loyal (not as rabid as for the old Browns though). I would like to see how they would react with 14 hopeless seasons in a row - it seems the difference is that instead of still getting 45-50,000 a game, they would probably run the owner out of town. There is just very little data on such a long streak - maybe the St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals would be comparable. I also think because there are so many Cleveland and Pittsburgh transplants, they both have a widespread fan base. I see a lot around Cincinnati, and when I lived in Columbus I saw more. They are probably a big reason Columbus is growing as fast as it is and has the debates over which games to show.

Thanks for the suggestions - I think I will pass the Sports Leagues along as well as City Beat, Cin Weekly, the Cincinnati Arts Association website, museums/attractions, and of course some bars. Luckily my current tenant is going to show the new girl around the neighborhood and likely introduce her to some people. While I'd like to act as a dating service and I would consider them attractive, I do not think it would be appropriate to steer people I barely know to other people I barely know. It would have a cheesy-romantic-creepy quality to it though, and my wife would just think it was weird....on second thought.... And as someone over 38, although I do not go rock climbing I still enjoy bars, concerts, and playing sports - sadly only as time permits. Seriously - thanks everyone.

Thanks - I consider those great resources. I was thinking this is a little different because they are moving with no social circle. Most transplants move with a family or at least a couple of friends. I was thinking it might be helpful to direct them to some "organized" fun although I am not a huge fan of that.

I am not sure where to put this, but I guess this is the best place. In the past week I have met 3 single girls 25-35 who just moved to Cincinnati. One is a re-lo from Cleveland (who will be a tenant) who moved for a job. The other two just moved here because they heard good things about the city (one from LA and the other from Miami). My question is what is the best source of information for social activities and things to do in the city? I don't want to act like the chamber of commerce, but I definitely would like to give a good first impression when possible. Besides the city sponsored sites, have any transplants (such as Monte) found anything especially helpful in these areas (other than UrbanOhio ;) )? I am not sure if Cincinnati Sports Leagues is still a good outlet so I appreciate any suggestions.

I too love the optimism - for many years you could sense that people here loved the city and would brag about it wherever they went. Today I hear more transplants tell me how great it is, but it does seem the tide is starting to change. The most powerful marketing tool a city can have is its citizens as they are the ambassadors - I would go on, but this is probably a separate topic. I actually like this new design better because it is a little glitzier. By no means an example of earth shattering architecture, but it gets the job done in an appealing way.

I know Iggy Pop was mentioned, but I assume the Stooges started there. And although I think I will have to shoot myself if I here "What I Like About You" one more time, the Romantics are from Detroit.