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I wonder if Bedrock could tie this into their rock and roll land? It sounds like they don't want to, but maybe they should want to? It's clearly marketed to tourists, and as has been discussed, so would CVSR. Why not double down from Bedrock's perspective? Tie the unique national park attraction into your mixed use tourist magnet, it seems like that can only draw more business to rock and roll land. Purely conceptually it makes sense. Maybe they just don't want the headache of working with so many layers of bureaucracy, regulatory hurdles, etc? I don't know, but that's my guess. Pivoting slightly, I know Bedrock intends to rebuild the Gateway connection, I haven't seen them say they will connect their new Rock and Roll land into this, but I don't see why they wouldn't. Again, makes sense, hopefully they do. That would be one more attraction with a direct link to Tower City, which seems like only a good thing to me! I know I have seen a previous proposal for a CVSR terminus at the walkway location as well, maybe there's some way to make all these things work together instead of fight each other?

I don't like their proposed location, it's much too far from downtown to be walkable. It's barely walkable from the new riverfront district they are proposing. I could be fine with a compromise location like the old thermal plant, but the proposed location screams afterthought, and will feel isolated even if the Riverview development is completed.

Your point is fair, it's not intended as a transit option. The reason for bringing it into Tower City, or at least downtown proper, is more tourism and access related. This is a really cool feature that no other big city will have. How many other cities will have a scenic train running through a national park? Only Akron, the other end of the same train. It's very unique and interesting that despite being so close together Cleveland and Akron have enough high quality parkland between them for it to be recognized as a national park. The people trying to bring the train into downtown Cleveland are basically saying, "let's leverage this asset to its full potential!"

I didn't realize there was a state law capping state contributions at 15% of total construction costs. In this case that would be 'only' $360,000,000 of taxpayer money, instead of the $600,000,000 the team has requested. That seems to complicate the situation. That increased friction will draw a lot more attention to the politicians that may be inclined to help the Haslams out. Never say never, but it's looking less and less likely to me that the Haslams well get the money they want from anyone. The County is leaning no, the state is leaning low, and even Brook Park is waffling and hasn't agreed yet. Also I still don't like the site plan. Leaning away from the airport and a potential redline stop eliminates the only advantages this location could have had. It still has all the disadvantages of its location, but it is falling to capitalize on any of its advantages. I was cautiously optimistic about mixed use district here, but I was envisioning a direct pedestrian overpass to the airport, possibly with a hotel immediately off the overpass, and all of this mixed use development facing a new infill redline station. Needless to say, none of that appears to be happening, missed opportunity, the plan in the article looks like a boondoggle to me.

My guess is that they are angling for / betting on an eventual USLSL NWSL buyout or merger. I agree with other posters that getting thousands of people to watch a soccer game in Cleveland in February is going to be a tough sell. Never mind that it's women's or minor league soccer, and that women's team doesn't even play in the largest or most well known women's league. The whole thing seems like a tough sell. I wish them the best, this succeeding can only be good for Cleveland, but I still hope public funds are used judiciously. I'm no more interested in the public getting a funding shake down for a soccer stadium than I am a football stadium. The scale is much smaller, and the location is much better, so maybe the math pencils. I'm not opposed to public funds being used to help this out, I just hope due diligence is done, and the city is willing to walk away if it doesn't end up being a good deal for the city and the taxpayers.

I think this is the best place for this podcast, though I'm not sure the phrase "gentle density" is ever actually used, nor is it the main subject, however, the core concept is really at the heart of the whole conversation. The core topic of conversation is actually courtyard blocks and how they are the ideal tool to get families to stay in cities and even raise their kids there. It's a really interesting conversation that I think hits on a few points of discussion and debate common on this forum. There are a few points that may be a bit counter narrative, I guess you could say leaning into the gentle side of gentle density, or searching for a goldilocks zone, particularly in the context of courtyard blocks. I think the focus on enticing families is smart, and that part of the argument is very compelling. Again, very interesting conversation, worth a listen. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/44-alicia-pederson-the-courtyard-urbanist-how/id1613784991?i=1000696816915 https://podcastaddict.com/the-aesthetic-city/episode/193262372 Spotify: https://t.co/qZN0GlgWXR

If GLBC opens a new pub/restaurant on the riverfront parcel as they have previously planned to this, in addition to their new production space, this half of the peninsula will actually have a pretty decent mix of uses, despite all of the buildings being single use. Two restaurants/bars, a major employer, and several hundred apartments doesn't sound like that bad of a start to a neighborhood does it? Hopefully it can grow off that, and the next developments will be a bit more ambitious, but it's on the right track.

I'm pro smokestack, it could be a cool way finding feature. Dress it up, add lights, etc. Cool potential. Adaptive reuse, nod to the past and all that.

As a counterpoint, walking on foot, it feels pretty isolated. Particularly when you consider the elevation change. There really isn't too much of anything on the other side of the river from Scranton Peninsula, at least not right now, a few gems on Columbus Peninsula, but a lot of rough, run down areas and parking lots as well, basically the same as you walk towards Ohio City, pretty much in any direction from here there's not a lot going on, until you go up a pretty large elevation difference. Is that a deal breaker? No, but it's relevant. Development here is bikeable to a lot of places (though huge elevation changes aren't fantastic on a non powered bike either), but not easily walkable to much of anything. To be clear, I walked to brewdog plenty of times when I lived downtown, when the weather's nice, it's an enjoyable walk, but it's not that short, and each of the several routes (from PS) have their downsides. Scranton will really benefit from Bedrock's riverfront development, but until that happens Scranton does feel kind of isolated, at least on foot.

You missed the whole point of the comment you're replying to, there's a world of difference between projected price and actual price. Nashville will likely learn that, and so will Cleveland/Brook Park if a new stadium is built. So long as the Haslams have the overruns though it doesn't bother me much.

^ it also means they're expecting ~800 million from the County and State. The County opposes this location (if not officially, in practice) and the State won't give this kind of money, at least not up front, they're afraid of precedent. At this point I'm starting to bet the can ends up getting kicked down road. 5 year lease extension at current location or something along those lines. The Haslams are getting close to their start by date, and as far as I can tell they are still short on public funding.

Cool good news! Wishing these developments the best! If this area takes off maybe we'll finally get an infill redline stop on near Fulton (or W41st though that doesn't directly serve this development area) The new station could also serve as a connection point for the red line Greenway which would also be a boon for this development. If this area really does take off, we'll need to address the pedestrian experience on most of bridges that connect this isolated area to the surrounding neighborhoods. Particularly the W25th bridges.

I can't read the linked article. But here's some images I found on http://www.i73.com/ Assuming this route matches the one discussed in the article I have some questions. I can see the logic of an interstate between Columbus and Toledo, even up to Lansing the proposed routing more or less makes sense to me. But North of Lansing and South of Columbus I'm not sure I understand the proposed routing. Most of the unbuilt sections of this route are very rural, and I'm not sure why this route is going where it does. It seems like south of Columbus it should connect with I-77 sooner rather than carving a new route, probably prior to Charleston. The section through West Virginia seems like an unnecessary new route, and the section between I-40 and I-77 also seems unnecessary. I realize this isn't the best forum to get a steelman of the argument for this I-73 corridor, but I would be curious to hear one. Does anyone know the best arguments for this corridor? Is it meant to reroute freight similar to the proposed I-69? I genuinely don't know. Real question.

I appreciate and accept your correction, but the broader point still stands. This would be a stadium for both Men's and Women's soccer, but not for the top (biggest, largest, pick your word) league in either case. That isn't inherently a deal breaker, but it's an important caveat.

Perhaps not the spirit of this thread, but based on the recent Crains article, it sounds like a soccer stadium in South Gateway may be next.

I'm sympathetic to this comment. I love this location for a stadium but I think it's fair to ask how much value a minor league team and a women's minor league team for a sport that's up and coming sport but still very much outside the big three in the USA will bring to Cleveland. That said, I read this as an attempt to position Cleveland to have a stronger bid for a more impactful soccer league in the future. Viewed in that light it makes more sense. As always we should be judicious and careful when handing out public funds for sports stadiums.

Bomb when?

Another thought. Since Stadiums are money losers for municipal governments, if we're going to have a remote stadium separated from downtown, do we actually want it in Cleveland proper? I know it's a pride thing, and fair enough, but it seems like there's more in subsidies than actual tax revenue from the stadium. If that's the case why not let them fleece Brook Park's taxpayers instead of Cleveland's? The big advantage of moving to Brook Park is the City of Cleveland no longer has to support it. The big advantage of downtown is supporting existing infrastructure. I'm not sure the city would get enough from a remote stadium located in the city to justify the kind of subsidies the Haslams are requesting.

Not really sure myself, but art is definitely a big component. Both in architecture, murals, etc. some examples up thread of things done and proposed. Basically more of this is what I'd like to see. Injecting art in big and small ways supporting the character of the neighborhood in a way that current residents feel is in line with its current character.

Here's the current betting odds on Kalshi. The markets like Vivek's odds in the Republican primary, and have the Republicans as the favorite in the general. Neither seems surprising to me. Tressel's odds are about the same as Yost's. If we assume these are independent probabilities (they aren't) the odds of a governor Ramaswamy are currently priced at about 58%.

I'm could be sympathetic to this line of thought, but I spend a decent bit of time in this area, and it works. It doesn't look horribly out of place. It probably helps that there's a few tallish buildings around here, the largest I can find is 8 stories. That's a far cry from the 15-17 of this new tower, but being twice as tall as the next tallest building isn't nearly as visually jarring as 3-4 times as tall is. As others have mentioned, put another 10+ story building on Warrensville and Chagrin and all your worries about looking out of place will dissipate.

I think you're likely getting to the heart of the issue here. The residents are concerned that they will get more people in general, instead of more Asians. In the article above, one of the residents said when asked what he wanted for the neighborhood, and he replied "Stay Asian." Very succinct, but likely gets at the heart of the issue here. The residents are concerned about the neighborhood losing its character, and in this instance there's a larger ethnic/cultural component to that than normal. If the developers care to calm the neighborhood it will probably have less to do with price point and more to do with architecture, design, and language. Oriental design choices could make a difference, as well as maybe signage in multiple languages. Marketing these apartments as a good landing place for recent Asian immigrants would probably help a lot to calm the residents.

I still think this is Vivek's race to lose. Even after getting panned on X a few weeks ago, he's enormously popular with the Trump wing of the party, pair that with Trump's endorsement and I have a hard time seeing anyone else winning a Republican primary. Anyone claiming Republicans wouldn't vote for Vivek because of his race/religion is still living in the Republican party of twenty years, and just hasn't been paying attention. Look at the Red base's fervor to get Kash Patel confirmed, his race wasn't an issue, he spoke Maga firmly and without apology. Vivek is the same. It won't be an issue. Tressel would be an interesting option for establishment Republicans on his name recognition alone. No idea how he would do past that, but there's enough rabid OSU fans that people would at least give him a chance. Still wouldn't bet on him, but a would be a good try for the establishment. I think Yost will get squeezed out the middle assuming any moderate R runs. Little to no chance if Vivek runs and it's a large field. As far as Democrats go, Tim Ryan is probably the best option. Both parties like to pretend that running a candidate that is too moderate will hurt them. It's copium from the fringes of both parties. Moderate candidates attract more voters unless they have speaking ability of white bread. It's easier to get the fringes to vote for the lesser of two evils than for a true believer to win centrist voters. Given that Ohio is now a center right state, any viable Democratic candidate needs to hold the base of the party while persuading centrist and even a few center right voters. Tim Ryan is a fantastic candidate who has a chance to do that because he reliably comes across as reasonable and genuinely moderate, without being boring. One of the few Ohio Democrats who could make a statewide race competitive. Sherrod Brown could also make the general election competitive, for many of the same reasons, he has a reputation as a moderate. I worry he might look old standing next to Vivek. He could try to frame that as experienced versus inexperienced. I don't think that's a winning framing right now, but it's possible that in a few years it could be. Despite above polling saying otherwise, Amy Acton would have 0 chance against Vivek and less against a more moderate like Tressel. The more time passes from the threat of Covid the more being associated with it is a political liability instead of a boon. She doesn't have a real chance in the general. She's probably who the Republicans are hoping to face.

It can be done well. Tel Aviv has a great network of Midways, but what really makes these work is the trees. There needs to be a natural buffer between the bike path and street for this arrangement to make sense. If not I agree with everything you said.

Good, but it sounds like he may still be saying the same thing as before. Cleveland Cliffs becomes the mining portion of the company, and it will be headquartered in Cleveland. US steel becomes the steel portion of the company and is headquartered in Pittsburgh. It sounds like this is basically a nobody will be moving to Pittsburgh, so good, but also nobody will be moving to Cleveland, so not great. No new Cliffs skyscraper in the near future. Am I reading this right? "Cleveland Cliffs will always be based in Public Square but the Steel company will be headquartered in Pittsburgh," he said. "Cleveland Cliffs will be the holding and U.S. Steel will be part of Cleveland Cliffs." "My house will still be here, [and] my office will still be on 200 Public Square, so there's no reason for concern. Remember, we acquired AK Steel and never shut down the office in West Chester. We acquired ArcelorMittal USA and we never shut down the office in Chicago and the office in Burns Harbor. So we are good at keeping things in the right spot," said Goncalves. "Actually the [U.S. Steel] office that they have over there right now is a ghost. Everybody works from home, the CEO lives in Illinois, the CFO lives in Connecticut and the General Counsel lives in Florida. So we are going to have people full-time over there, I will be part time over there, I will have an office there but my main office will be here at 200 Public Square Cleveland, 44114."