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I’m surprised they have traffic enforcement but don’t have light enforcement task force. You would think lighting is just as important to the urban core than if someone parked in a disabled parking spot illegally.

Is that the Jose Garcia designed building? I remember seeing it as an item for the hcb to approve but never actually saw it any of the packets…I could also be thinking of the wrong lot.

The resident was mentioning about how unlit so many of the otr streets are at night… out of curiosity why is that? Is there a problem with the street grid lights in certain parts of otr? I know when 3cdc takes helm of a certain portion of otr, you get the luxury treatment with really well lit areas and no over hanging tower poles. If it’s the city responsibility for the rest of otr to take care of lighting why aren’t they taking care of this issue? There are some legit pitch black streets, so much so in north of liberty. Is the city that broke that they can’t just afford to repair the lighting? I thought the city had quite the cushion of funds after the Biden stimulus package.

Would it be expensive to dig out the gas pipes and redevelop the land for a mixed use development ? I’m seeing this occur all over the suburbs now with speedways or bp shutting down and then digging out the pipes and tearing down the pumps…so I imagine it can’t be too crazy cost wise

even during the day there are problems. Every time I’ve been there in the day it’s just non stop hassling and harassment. This occurred to my friend, a few years back, and he went to fill up at that early, around 9am, on weekday. Some person came up to him asking him for money, he politely declined…the guy walks away turns around with a pocket knife..my friend still declines and the guy begins charging him. Luckily he is military so he was able to side swipe the guy and pin him to the ground in 10 seconds and make the person regret who he was messing with… problem with that shell is too much to sum for words. I would argue it’s never safe to stop there. You legit don’t know who you will run into there. It’s a genuine cess pool that contains the very worst elements of otr that unfortunately still exist today. It needs to be torn down for the good of the community. One might argue that will push crime to a different location in otr, but I seriously doubt either Grant and Findlay Playground being redeveloped there are that many places left for these trouble causing people to run to.

Wow I wasn’t even aware about this! North college hill starting to look like a mini urban downtown.

I know 3cdc is working on giving Grant Park and Findlay Playground the Washington park/Ziegler park treatment…if the shell gets redeveloped or shuts down we will essentially lose the 3 biggest crime spots in the entire city. Could be huge for otr safety going forward.

OTR Shell will discontinue running 24/7 because of the out of control crime that occurs on the property. They will decrease their hours to close at 9pm and follow to close in the future when it becomes dark. Owner says they installed new fencing, additional security cameras and even paid cpd for additional detailing but said the crime is not letting up and have no choice but to close before dark. The owner admitted that some of the employees are quitting now because of the reduced hours and that at some point the owner might abandon the shell entirely. For so much progress otr has made, for people paying almost million plus for a luxury condo just a few blocks away, for how much 3cdc tries to lure suburbanites to visit otr, it’s absolute mind boggling that residents and visitors can’t get a safe gas station to shop at. https://www.fox19.com/2021/07/16/otrs-only-gas-station-shortening-hours-due-safety-concerns/

It looks like they are building a new street eatery for the Mercer.

I think the goal would for it not to remain a parking lot anymore..I think it if it was a permanent fixture then that would be best IMO.

Nailed it on the head. Keep Findlay markets uniqueness but add on to its strengths and give the vendors more space to operate our of. I imagine winter is the slowest month at Findlay and some of these vendors are already running on razor thin margins so 3-4 bad months could lead them to abandon their business. Building an enclosed food hall of sorts for the community and Findlay market vendors to use could be such a pivotal move for some of these businesses to stay in business longer and help add more vendors to the market.

I think the more built out north of liberty gets and more residential gets rehabbed/new construction then the demand will increase. I think the elm and liberty project will be a huge boost to Findlay market when it comes to more consistent week day foot traffic. In my mind, a mixed use development of underground parking on that lot with -maybe - a 2 story food stall expansion - and 3 story or residential above could be an awesome catalyst for the market and kind of bring some new excitement for Findlay market that has been kind of missing for a while now.

My only issue with Findlay is how tight and narrow the inside portion of the market is. It’s especially difficult if you have a stroller. Expanding the market with a larger space with more spread out stalls would be very beneficial IMO.

I would love to see a larger more traditional enclosed market like the the North Market in Columbus with multiple vendor floors and underground parking.

can’t you just remove the modern facade and keep the historic building and build new mixed use development around the lot? Seems like a waste to knock down a perfectly stable building.

That is a pretty substantial amount of development for that stretch of north of liberty. Makes me wonder if this will make the direct surface lots by findlay market easier to develop now.

I mean that’s not technically true..the port authority or any other city agency could apply for tax credits and grants to bring the building back to building code and use it for affordable housing.

Well I’m not sure what the developer can do in that case. Obviously they can appeal but my guess it would probably be denied. I mean fcc could technically lease them the land adjacent to their stadium for this hotel project…Just depends how dead set this developer is on getting a hotel done.

It was built before the civil war and was one of the original canal buildings when otr still had canals on Central Park way. the building is almost 200 years old…if we use the deciding factor of how attractive a building looks than half of otr remaining stock should be demolished. I understand the frustration…but at the same time we shouldn’t be advocates for demolition of contributing buildings for a historic district that’s already lost 50 percent of its original historic stock. Otr can’t afford to lose any more of its historic buildings.

yeah that’s a tough one…I mean it doesn’t look THAT altered… that said, I think it’s the right move. We can’t all of a sudden green light demo of contributing buildings in otr..then what would the point be for this historic district? I think that this could also send the wrong message to future developers? To expensive to fix a building? Well just apply for demo! I think that’s the wrong mindset regardless.

I believe the model group is planning a 5 story building for the new senior facility on Central Park way. So I think the hcb could be okay with a 5 story addition. The other option is to build an appropriate addition to the pre civil war building… I guess the final option would be to see if the building could be physically relocated to an existing empty lot in otr…but that could be a very expensive route.

I believe the Dennison was denied demo by the hcb but the zoning board of appeals had the final say which allowed for demo. That said the Dennison was a pure pay to play move and was a fiasco demo from the get go. The main argument for the Dennison was of structural issues..I don’t know if the same can be said for this building. My thoughts…just incorporate the blue building as part of the lobby and use the parking lot portion on that redevelopment block for the hotel room portion. I imagine they could squeeze a 5 story hotel room building on that parking lot…

Yeah I don’t know..a part of me is frustrated..the other part of me realizes that blue building is one of the few remaining pre civil war buildings remaining in otr. If I remember correctly it was built around the 1830s. I hate deleting more of otr history..at the same time I hate that it makes this hotel project more difficult to move forward…I guess that’s the ultimate dilemma when it comes to developments in otr. It’s complicated.

yeah, but your obviously getting the amenities that come with big city living. little bit of a different story when your living in a modest mid sized city with much better options - sqft wise.

Not saying I disagree but I imagine rehabbing the building and figuring out how to configure the layout into hotel will be more cost prohibitive versus demo and building new construction. I guess they can always apply for historic tax credits and cover the costs that way.