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I’m curious what their incentive is to keep that location open? It must be operating at a loss for decades now. Don’t get what their incentive is for keeping that location open in their portfolio, especially with all the crime and violence that is associated with that location. Truly baffling.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/29/city-would-create-new-park-at-freedom-center-boos.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s I’m super confused...so this article explains that cranley wants to build a new park and freedom center memorial garden with statues and sculptures south of the freedom center plaza...is that the same area where the new Ferris wheel was supposed to go/future restaurants? If so I’m confused and slightly disappointed. The banks doesn’t need more parks, nor more sculpture gardens for black history, especially if the freedom center already serves that purpose and exceeds in doing so.

On an entirely different note...Felenhaus is posing to completely revamp their space and create an indoor market of sorts. They are seeking applications for coffee vendors, farmer market vendors, baked food vendor, alcohol vendors, retail vendors, etc. Seems somewhat like a mini indoor Findlay market...pretty ambitious plans from them. https://felsenhausotr.com/the-market

Do we have any info on who the owner of the shell is? Is he a local resident? Does he own a chain of shells? Is he an out of state owner? I’m just genuinely curious about who the person is and maybe it could give more insight on the situation. I’m also curious how this shell is able to maintain any semblance of profitability..especially if gas stations normally make their money through high traffic within the store for convenience items.

I agree but disagree. I’ve seen plenty of times, especially in other cities, when the city will step up and declare a property a public nuisance and shut down the business until changes are made. There is a lot of sweeping under the rug. You don’t even have to be a resident of otr to know that shell is a a danger for any passerby. Again, if this area has such a long record and history of crimes being prosecuted on that property why hasn’t the city stepped up and issued a public nuisance against the owner for the safety and well-being of others?

I thought these gatherings are illegal, especially a party on a private business property? I know if I did that at the shell across the street from where I live I would have the owner come out and call the police on me asking me what the hell and I doing disrupting business? I’m curious who the owner is and why are they not angry that this is occurring on their property? I don’t want to make too many assumptions about the owner because obviously I don’t know the whole story about what they have and have not tried doing. I’m just surprised that if the police know that is a hot spot for illegal gatherings/parties, constant drug trade trafficking, and constant violence why they haven’t forced the business owner to do more or be hit with a public nuisance order and shut the gas station entirely? Again, I don’t know the whole story and probably never will..but from outside looking in, you get the impression both the city and the business owner could do more to clean up this zone if they used a tighter fist.

I’m just curious why the owners or even Cincinnati PD not care? I know race relations is a touchy subject nowadays, but I’m not sure why Cincinnati police are not utilizing more resources to clean that zone up? Especially if they can physically witness what is occurring there day in and day out like most residents do.

Not to beat a dead horse but the average 1 bed room in Loveland ranges from 750 (chapelwood) all the way up on higher end to 1-1,100 (Loveland station) There are is not much apartment inventory in Loveland and me and my significant other have shopped around Loveland for a long time in regards to apartments. Anything over 1k in Loveland, especially for a 1 bed room is usually situated around their luxury apartment complex like River Ridge and Loveland Station. Still cheaper than otr rent.

The most ideal situation is that the linders buy that shell and convert into a high end UDF with 24 police surveillance.

Could you build apartments on top of the brewery hall? I would hope that space isn’t demolished as it’s a pretty cool spot. Would be nice if there future developer could save the brewery and just build something atop the brewery. The brewery space itself could easily be repurposed for an art gallery/art exhibit, fine dining restaurant, etc.

$1,450 rent in Loveland would get you a 2 bed room “luxury”apartment with granite counter tops and hard wood flooring with a balcony and a secure entrance. My friend lives in Loveland station above graters in downtown Loveland and that’s how much he pays monthly. I think most people would consider anyone who could afford a 1 bed room in otr for $1,450 a month, especially if they live alone without a significant other/room mate to split rent to be above middle class.

Living in otr costs a lot..more than the average standard suburban apartment in say Loveland. Do the wealthy residents of otr not use that shell? I’m just curious about how has the wealthy residents that have displaced that poor residents of otr not transitioned into a more clean environment overall, especially around the shell? Unless my ballpark math is wrong and the amount of unwealthy residents still vastly overweight the rich residents of otr? You would think in theory the drug dealers that used to frequent otr would feel less secure dealing with more eyes on the streets and would have been pushed out by now to price hill?

Isn’t extremely expensive to remove the gas line and redevelop the site to be anything other than a gas station? Or maybe I’m under the wrong impression.

It still baffles me why north of liberty is still so slow to develop. There is a massive housing boom. Your telling me there are not enough wealthy developers in the greater Cincinnati area to buy rows of the available vacant buildings and rehab into luxury condos? North of liberty has great amenities to Findlay market, UC campus, downtown, CFC stadium and everything downtown has to offer yet it still remains a safe haven for vacancies and crime and violence. Don’t get it unless there is a huge mental block between crossing that line between south and north of liberty?

I believe the Linders have gone on record stating they will use the stadium for a variety of uses including away game watch parties potential professional women soccer team concerts/other mass gathering events So this stadium will definitely not just sit empty throughout the majority of the year. It will gets it use to some degree and that will definitely cause an uptick for businesses that are close in proximity to the stadium.

Agreed. I think once Covid restrictions are lifted in the future and the stadium is allowed to have full capacity again it will be interesting to see how the otr restaurants and bars handle the game day crowds. Back before Covid, popular otr restaurants could easily have a 45min to 1 hour wait...bars packed to the brim with barely any standing room. I imagine adding a tens of thousands of game day fans will be a ginormous capacity issue for these bars and restaurants..my hope is that the long restaurant owners who already own various concepts in otr and downtown see this demand and decide to take their excess revenue and invest in more concepts within the reaches of the stadium.

I think we are all upset to some extent of the historic fabric that was ripped for the new stadium (albeit not much in comparison to the interstate projects back in the day)...but you have to admit that this is beautiful looking stadium, especially when it’s lit up like that. I’m sure time will tell, but I have a strong gut feeling this will be a catalyst to some degree for new development around the stadium and help lure in new businesses, that will hopefully take some of the remaining historic stock and convert into new places to gather.

I read agave and rye is coming to Hamilton as well at an old vacant mechanic shop. Agave and rye is quality stuff but I feel like they are setting up themselves up for failure with how quickly they are expanding.

That building is technically in Otr ^ right?

yeah because it’s not like there has been a massive world wide pandemic that has caused much uncertainty in the service industry 🙄 I’m sure we will see more projects like this in the near future, especially as more people get vaccinated and restrictions lessen.

https://hgcconstruction.com/2021/03/16/pitch-bar-coming-soon/?fbclid=IwAR3HB8ovFDqBIsP-GVly8zb18DMyuDGpT1LxAcU9h6VQkxXKSuRaV7wJgLQ I like to call this FC Cincinnati effect. Abandoned church on central parkway will be rehabbed as a new soccer themed sports bar. Not sure where this is exactly located, but I’m glad we are seeing some of the after effects of having build a stadium in the west end with new businesses opening.

I think if there was a developer smart enough they could easily attract an apartment tower on that plot of land and market it for the younger/kids free crowd who are attracted to going out and blowing lots of money on gambling and alcohol.

I’ve always wondered why Madisonville took so long to be, “gentrified”. You have quite a few wealthy neighborhoods in Hyde Park, Mariemont, Madeira, and Kenwood that are in close proximity to Madisonville. So you would think in theory it would have been part of that “wealthy bubble” cluster of neighborhoods. Was madisonville selected at one point in its history to be the designated zone for affordable housing and section 8 housing? I’m just curious why Madisonville was a hot spot for poor residents and poverty when it’s surrounding neighborhoods are full of millionaires and wealthy families?

Will this go across the street where the current parking lot crater is? I sure hope it’s not above the current casino as I’ve been dying for the day for that parking lot crater to be wiped out by new development.