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well the problem lies in recognizing marriage, its a religious institution, but the government recognizes it. Really the government should say everyone can get a civil union, and marriage should be only recognized by a church. But will social conservatives fly with that?? hell no, they're fine with their idea of social engineering

the rendering makes it look so shitty. From street level i dont feel like its much of a monstrosity or anything

the PD likes to be down on the city every now and then

hmm yea, didnt they do a version of the convention center? im thinking the lakefront one?

a few new renderings i wonder how far they are on the inside

^ ooo i was wondering about that since i remember seeing another 20 story tower proposed on the emporis.com page for cleveland, and i thought the project was cancelled heh heh

Yea i love visiting my relatives in Medina and driving through the square. Great shots

Senators reject Ohio ban on gay marriage DeWine, Voinovich against amendment; bishops support it Thursday, October 07, 2004 Sandy Theis Plain Dealer Bureau Chief Columbus Ohio's U.S. senators said they will vote no on a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage a position that places them at odds with their church. U.S. Sens. Mike DeWine of Cedarville and George Voinovich of Cleveland, who are Catholic, announced Wednesday that they oppose the measure, which will appear on the Nov. 2 ballot as Issue 1. The two Republican heavyweights added their voices to a growing chorus of critics who contend the measure is bad for Ohio's economy. Earlier in the day, Ohio's 14 Roman Catholic bishops issued a statement supporting Issue 1. ... http://www.cleveland.com/ohio/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1097141733124572.xml heh yea there must be some gay in the water in DC

yea last night there was a large red "CNN" projected on the wall of the art museum heh

ooo build it!

aside from the soccer mom voice over that was an interesting video about the EC. The stations look good, the vehicles look interesting. esp the inside since i was wondering what that would look like.

wait... how would this work with the suburbs in the other states?? It sounds to be in the best interests of Cincy and the Ohio burbs, but how would everywhere else benefit since they're in other states?? Couldnt they theoretically team up themselves to compete with Cincinnati??

As soon as thats in service im gonna be trying it out.

oh no way, its part of Lewis's plan, hes very much behind it

"party girls urbana ohio " hahaha

oh i did a google image search on something about cleveland, and one of the images caught my eye and it led me to this website. i was on here for a while just as a place to reference photos and then a few months later i realized there was a forum on here as well

This has actually been going on for several years now, but heres some more projects underway if not already started. They even include three 10 story apartment buildings: http://www.cleveland.com/universitycircleguide/wide/boom.jpg">

yea i was trying to find the most general term for him. he does sound like a bit of an asshole, i should have just used that word instead ;o)

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1096105005195512.xml Officials say marriage ban could hurt Ohio's economy Saturday, September 25, 2004 Sandy Theis Plain Dealer Bureau Chief Columbus Philadelphia lures gay tourists with a travel guide titled "The City of Brotherly Love (and Sisterly Affection)." Washington, D.C., coined its own slogan: "Where more than just the cherry blossoms come out." But as cities across America roll out rainbow carpets, Ohio is poised to vote on what experts say is the most far-reaching anti-gay marriage measure in the nation. The state's big-city mayors are trying to defeat the proposed amendment to the state constitution, expected to be on the Nov. 2 ballot. "This isn't about marriage," Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman said this week. "It's about the economic future of Ohio." ... I think its interesting how even heterosexuals have to limit their rights just so the gays dont get theirs. You know whos going to devalue marriage? The people making these laws. Its going to get to the point where you have to jump through all the loopholes to get one that people wont even bother to get married. Not to mention 1 in 2 end in divorce anyway. And as far as Cleveland Heights, that was a voter approved measure, the only one in the country to be approved in that manner. Also i think it was interesting how that official mentioned that Cincy just needs to expand its convention center... thats an expensive deflection... i mean look at cleveland's convention center and this year its done rather nicely.

no i know what you mean, and its easier to say than do. But why build a dozen 45 story towers if theres never even been a stepping stone of residential development on that scale downtown? People dont get it in Cleveland, they dont know what living downtown is. Its never ever been there other than maybe 3 buildings. What im excited about is that theres interest now, and its for sale as well. Im not sitting there saying "woohoo a 10 story tower is going to fix Cleveland!". No. Its going to make a modest improvement downtown, but on the bigger view its the beginning of some sort of momentum of moving into the city that cleveland hasnt had in decades. And to me thats something that IS exciting to see happen.

waaaait a second, this isnt just a parking garage. And theres 5 residential midrises (10-15 stories) that are being built downtown as we speak. Its also going to be a street level retail center as well built to hold a 20 story residential tower on top. Now im sure as the market keeps heating up downtown something will get built there. We're not a Chicago and Toronto has regional government. Its a bit hard to compare them to Cleveland. Downtown living is completely new to Cleveland, so right now its baby steps until we get enough momentum. I feel its moving in the right direction.

damn you really got everything being discussed lately. how is euclid ave now, is it really torn up yet?? i only drive on Chester ave now cuz of all the construction stuff i've been seeing

this one too! how do all these 'little' projects come in under the radar?

yea E55th and Euclid has all those amazing old buildings around it, i really wish that area gets better, theres so much potential for residential/storefronts right there however, if you've ever been to University Circle and checked out the E120th Rapid station by going under the train bridge youd know what i mean. Its not only darker underneath, but probably 3 times wider than the E55th bridge. Its like walking into a cave.

well gee they should really do something with the one at the E120th rapid station too