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haha its more like artists living in places zoned for light industry/manufacturing/commercial and it being ignored by landlords and the city because no one else is really moving in there lol

oh that looks like a finished live/work loft in midtown Cleveland lol

Oh it does, you could practically follow them down the industrial valley. Parma is one of the top 10 biggest cities in ohio. A lot of the blue collar suburbs resulted from unchecked sprawl, they were never intentionally setup by any one group of people or powerful individuals in cleveland.

Yes the city suburbs in cleveland were setup for wealthier individuals who didnt want to live with the working class/blue collar types.

No leave the boom towns to places like Dubai lol Anyway i think i've realized how little i know about Columbus' policies. I mean we have articles in the paper here talking about how Columbus "cheated", but then i think why piss and moan about it? Sometimes it pays to look and learn from other places. As far as Columbus goes tho, i agree it was smart to annex rather than setup city-suburbs for the rich folks like cleveland did. Eventually i think some type of County/City thing is going to happen in cleveland, we practically have that in some cases. And i definately think having a city of 1.4 million would be nice haha However is growing outward rather than upwards a good idea? Im not so sure these ideas of "regionalism" are all so "progressive" at this point. Progressive is more like Vancouver or Portland as far as city building goes.

yea but townships are the fasting growing areas in ohio, its the same thing, its bringing in new land. and yea why doesnt cleveland or cincinnati do this? heh

No im not bashing Columbus. Im glad its annexing cities and actually doing something positive such as bringing people into the city. Its fresh and new. I wish Cleveland had that. I wish Cleveland and Columbus were combined, then we'd have something. im bashing Ohio as a whole however because we have a bunch of non-populists in the state government now. So theres no push for city growth, only suburban sprawl, and thats irresponsible in my opinion. Cleveland does promote mixed income development, city infrastructure, and other populist initiatives... In fact thats pretty much all it has been promoting all along... but it has no money. Spawl has sucked the vibrancy out of it. So it cant do anything but depend on the state and federal government for help (which is hand-out-ish and backwards).

but the issue is really dealing with the fact that columbus has the *ability* to annex its suburbs. often the suburbs are new and fresh. I can tell you that the actual city of cleveland has far less people from asia/south asia/middle east than it's suburbs and thats because of the "donut effect". These are the new immigrant groups coming to the US now. Theres more jobs and better quality on the edge of the metro/city than in it. Columbus is growing due to the fact that its annexing these places and even country land ready for more housing (suburbanizing). Since Cleveland and Cincinnati and Toledo cant do this as easily, they suffer. Ohio no longer sets it's policy on "A State filled with Cities" but more of a model that promotes one single city, it's capital. So it's policies dont call for more infrastructure like commuter trains, or policies that promote mixed income housing, and growth promoting business in the CBD. Instead we're building more roads, and highways, and industrial parks, and col-de-sacs.

http://www.cleveland.com/fiveohios/images/0704a.gif Differences create invisible borders Sunday, July 04, 2004 Story by Robert L. Smith and Dave Davis Plain Dealer Reporters So there you are, cruising west on Interstate 70 near Cambridge, roughly following the old National Road, a traveler from a faraway land on a mission to define Ohio. For more info, click the link www.plaindealer.com

No link for the article So 12 stories + 3 story parking garage = 15 story condo tower

As it stands now, this is midtown cleveland, yes it even looks bad from outerspace. And from the streets, the area is so decayed that most of it already has reverted back to nature. A future plan calls for several biotechnology buildings and to revitalize brown spaces into parks. Theres also a growing trend of mixed income housing in the area. (any locals ever pass by those mansions on chester avenue? heh). This is a concept for designing the Euclid Corridor transit stations. Also concepts for retail and cafe "zones" designated for the Euclid Corridor. http://www.hotelbruce.com/01_01/featurewell_hotel_bruce.php

ooo nice shots, when i was downtown the other day i was thinking id have to strain to find the crain, ha no, that crain is way up there. i was wondering, whats that building to the right of it? are those apartments/lofts as well?

http://www.ecocitycleveland.org/transportation/images_trans/euclid_corridor_bus.jpg"> im pretty sure its this they're going for the futuristic train-like vehicle. to trick us into thinking its a train?? lol

is there a picture of this thing?

I noticed on Euclid today that it says construction started 6/28/04 and will go on for 270 days? even during the winter? It looks like they have starting points in university circle, midtown, and downtown. And things are down to 1 lane in each direction.

Im all for it. Except i think the city itself should decide what it wants. Some plans were for all these big Cleveland casinos and i doubt the city wants that. theres been proposals for something like greektown in detroit. btw not to sound ignorant but what is a parish hall?

If only Ameritrust or Progressive Life went up A World Top 20 and A Frank Gehry Skyscraper... As Cleveland says "shoulda woulda coulda" Anyway i remember seeing key tower go up. My grandma would always point out how it was such a disgrace to build higher than the terminal haha

i guess its time to quit or move out? lol

I walked by the one on Euclid 515 and its really coming along from the last time i seen it

i think its a possibility that cleveland will eventually make a new building. i read some stuff on how they dont have to increase the taxes to build one. i've seen some of the designs and some are more built up than others A sprawling one that goes east of the Erieview complex was one of the proposals http://www.erieviewcenter.com/images/photos/lg/aerial.jpg lol i like how they shined up Erieview Tower lol http://www.erieviewcenter.com/images/photos/lg/erieview_day.jpg

I've heard many great reviews about it. Theres like 60 some odd rooms styles and the rooms are really bigand have high ceilings. You can get a room inside the arcade and look down at the mall area or stay at one of the 10 story towers on each side. The only complaints i heard was the fact that being on the interior rooms of the arcade can be noisy (shoppers down below).

Little Italy facelift to be unveiled Planners want to bring more new housing, more retail and more parking to one of Cleveland's most popular neighborhoods. The Little Italy Redevelopment Corp. will unveil a new master plan at a community meeting Monday night. The plan will map out development priorities in the East Side neighborhood for the next decade. But some residents are already worried that the plan will focus too much on building expensive homes and ignore the needs of older residents. heh bring on the yuppies and kick out the college kids?? this doesnt sound too good. if it isnt broke, dont fix it, i mean cmon. Go fix those crappy neighborhoods on MLK duh.

yea but see the only way they can get the money for it is if its a county measure. the soccer moms in strongsville dont like the idea lol but i dunno, id rather see the 30 story world trade center go up heh. And at the parking lot on public square please? http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_2_the_convention.html btw anyone check out this article??

oh my thats awful, its a huge sprawling complex. maybe cleveland doesnt need a new one after all lol...