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Leeper over the holidays on Thats So Cincinnati said it was going to be at that park next year, 2025. Think it's moving.

Lindner definitely instructed Winburn to flip flop on that in 1994 imo

From my extensive research onto Fountain Square West - Lindner had nothing to do with its death - Nell, Luken, Council, Blackwell, Emery's, Addison Lanier, CBC secrecy and infighting all had a lot more to do with its death. It was a preponderance of terrible events, mistrust and not grasping onto a hot hand.

An Update on this from this month's Downtown Residential Council Meeting 159 Apartments Conversion construction begins January 2025 Will take 18-20 months

This seems very wrong. I think they're getting 79% from the owner vs rental. They're also including the greater urban basin area of downtown which includes west end and over the rhine. This was their source. https://dashboards.mysidewalk.com/state-of-downtown-cincinnati/housing

City of Cincinnati returns to pre-pandemic population growth in 2023 The city of Cincinnati returned to its pre-pandemic growth path in 2023, adding 1,692 people. The city’s population stood at 311,097 to end 2023, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released May 16. 0.5% growth in a year is pretty remarkable. Compared to other peer cities cincinnati is doing incredibly well.

Apparently the offices had been unused for a while so it's not as sudden of a blow as it seems

I'm hoping this is a placeholder for the hotel and not the final design. The one last year would look far better than this.

The arena at 75 thing is more interesting because both John Barrett and the Mayor are hinting at an arena location that can only be in the reclaimed land. Both of those quotes hinting at the same time is a heck of a coincidence if it is one. But Barretts stuck out at me "Barrett’s vision extends to the rest of the city’s center. He believes a new arena and a convention center should be attached, with parking to support them. He’d like to see them close to Fountain Square. “We’ve got to make Fountain Square and west more vibrant,” he said." Chris Weitterch tweeted "Also noteworthy in arena newz today: Western & Southern CEO John Barrett thinks the arena needs to be connected to the convention center, which is a pretty narrow real estate universe." I think there's more here than posturing.

'We defer to the people of Cincinnati': Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine weighs in on Brent Spence Bridge design Some key quotes .. ... Interesting tidbit in the article is this - Walsh said it is expected council will take up a formal vote about the project "sometime in the next month or so." The city can have a say and it is not too late for that say. Its time for council to step up and make their priorities fully known for this once in a generation project.

Very very interesting tidbit in the downtown residential council November meeting minutes. Atrium I is being partially converted. http://www.ilivedowntown.com/ "Seth Harmon introduced speaker Doug Moormann from Development Strategies Group. Mr. Moormann provided an overview about improvements occurring at the Atrium 1 building on 4th Street. Occupancy has been impacted by Covid currently making the Atrium half empty. There are plans to convert 200,000 square feet of space into 205 workforce affordable apartments. The renovation is expected to take 18-24 months and cost around $47M. Mr. Moormann addressed several questions from members regarding retail options and the influx of residential space in the city."

I heard the 650 room application was a procedural one to give them flexibility, 800 is still target (apparently) from Jeff Alutto who stated such during a Commissioner meeting. I certainly hope it is. Anything less than 800 rooms is an abject failure to me. Also - honestly - there are two projects, west end mixed use and carew, that all deserve funding more than this. Hamilton County, the City and 3cdc need to get their s**t together.

Maybe the fact the CFA didn't have a meeting until last week, meaning April - September without a meeting, caused some large communications gaps? There hasn't been an update since like May on either Convention Center or Hotel, which I'm assuming will be updated soon.

That would be my hope that it's simply confusion. Press releases do state 800 rooms consistently when Portman design came out. I hope this is addressed at the county commisoners meeting this week. I do think a weeks long cooling off period would be a mistake as it would crunch the timetable

Im hoping this was the CFA meeting as there would have to be records of such. this sounds like it was a meeting between the hamilton county administrator and 3cdc, then the administrator invited Alicia.....

Grant apparently said 675 rooms instead of 800 according to Commissioner Reece on Scott Sloans show. That's still quite a difference and one that is below the minimum needed as sold to us from the hotel study before they decided to tear down the millennium. World Cup officials wanted us to have a headquarter hotel with at least 800 rooms.

I did digging on the Commissioners meeting last week and this is her quote. "If we say 800 rooms we shouldn't be applying for grants and we write down 600 rooms" This seems to be what sourced her concerns. And if that's what they're writing on grants is 600 rooms it makes sense why she wants 800 rooms as a written agreement.

I personally didn't even notice Shillitos was gonna be torn down till now in the millennium site.

What is happening with a new arena for Cincinnati? Heres the 8 potential sites West End Site: South of TQL Stadium on Ezzard Charles Drive and West Central Parkway. Downtown East Site: North of the Hard Rock Casino Cincinnati between Gilbert Avenue and Reading Road. Heritage Bank Center Site: On the original site of the Heritage Bank Center at Broadway and Pete Rose Way. Queensgate Site: On the lot currently housing the historic Longworth Hall building at Gest Street and Pete Rose Way. Convention Center South Site: South of the Duke Energy Convention Center between Fourth and Fifth streets and Plum and Elm streets. P&G Headquarters North Site: North of P&G's Central Building spanning Sycamore Street between Sixth and Seventh streets. Millennium Hotel Site 1: On the site of the former Millennium Hotel on Elm Street between Fifth and Sixth streets. Millennium Hotel Site 2: On the site of the former Millennium Hotel on Elm Street between Fifth and Seventh streets. Personally find that the West End site is too small in my opinion and that a location on the former Millenium Hotel site would be best as well as the Casino site.

Yeah if Portman and 3cdc arent going for 800 rooms thats unacceptable to me. And it looks like as we hunched it was 3cdc and not portman who was hostile. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/19/what-did-alicia-reece-say-happened-in-meeting-with-3cdc/70889252007/

Interesting quote I missed

Meanwhile.... "Talks to expand @DukeEnergyCntr downtown and build a new convention hotel are going in a "bad-bad direction" according to Hamilton County Commission President Alicia Reese. She says the behavior of the developers in meetings has been inappropriate threatening the entire project." https://twitter.com/700wlw/status/1702652288312205794?t=HZ779uP5ZfTOkr8IAPdnQw&s=19

Does Victrix getting a big leap on Macys now increase chances of Carew happening soon?

From this article - 143 million cost 385 apartments Carew Tower's application for Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credits shows potential apartment future

Kentuckys will be highest. About 110 feet off ground 💀