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WOW!!!

^Another Forest City development. Tower City needs serious help and these guys continue to ignore us. Thanks for checking in fellas. http://www.forestcity.net/PROPERTIES/westfield-san-francisco-centre.asp

To me this project and the East Bank development will both move forward much quicker if the casino vote is approved. You will see shovels in the ground fast. I think every one is waiting for that-including Wolstein. I am kind of indifferent on becoming a Casino town. But if done correctly (a big hope), the +'s will defiantly outweigh the -'s.

^Yes #5. I like the fact it will brighten up that whole corner. But they must keep the height.

^ To me this is a very important post. This is the type of forward thinking that is needed for this town to realize it's capabilities. I have always dreaded the placement of the current rr tracks in this city. If they can be rerouted w/o having a negative impact on the work they do, to me it is a no-brainer. I love BIG changes. Nice work.

I am not a big fan of this building. The only thing it has going for it is it's height-which I would hate to lose. If it does stay, I would vote do the re-skin. Remember the position this building is in. Smack dab right center field, it holds center stage in every broadcast from the Jake. Of the proposals, I like the one from Perkins+Wills. http://www.cleveland.com/news/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/cleve/view_gallery.ata?g_id=4928 Judging from the rendering, I count about 26-28 floors to the top of the peak. If that is correct that means we will keep the height. If that peak is lit up at night it could be very dramatic. If we can keep the height i would love to tear it down. Just because it's old-don't make it pretty. Not every old building is worth rehabbing. To me it is inspiring when current architects have their chance to reshape a city. Things change.

Watch Monday 8/28 on PBS at 9pm-One of the best shows on TV, The History Detectives will feature a segment on Cleveland streetcars of the past, should be good-this is one of my favorite shows on TV. So check it out because I know most of the posters on this forum are obsessed with trolleys and light rail and everything 1953. So get your Tivo's ready so you can watch it again and again and again...

WKYC report on the new W14th Quigley connector http://wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=26007&bw= Its on the front page of the wkyc website-if the link doesn't work.

easy Pope-they just bought that baby :lol:

Lewis said Cleveland Clinic representatives involved in the plan haven't contacted her. "People that big don't ask," she said. "Ain't nobody bigger than me." I quess I will continue to be in the minority on this one. I am all for this proposal. Fannie Lewis! I mean you've got to be kidding me. It' s these corrupt, stuck in the mud politicians that continue to hold this city down. Does this woman have a lifetime appointment or what. You couldn't go to "Central Casting" and find a better example of old guard city politics. I continue to see on this thread statements about how the big bad clinic is trying to throw its weight around w/o any concern for the neighborhood. I mean enough already-stop with the "class warfare". Were would that neighborhood be w/o the incredible improvements and commitment with jobs and infrastructure that is being brought to that part of the city. The Clinic's not perfect, but it's one of our biggest employers and something that we all point to with pride. Unlike most of us on this forum, they live in that neighborhood everyday. They spend 12 to 14 hours a day there. At one time this city was #3 in the country in fortune 500 companies, but the likes of Lewis and Kucinich and Forbes chased them all away with divisive politics. And things haven't changed. After going to the "Feast" yesterday in Little Italy, I drove back down Euclid ave. to check out the BRT progress. Driving down Euclid and passing through the clinic I could not help but imagine how 20 blocks of greenspace and flowers would help bring life back into this very depressing area. This would be enjoyed by everyone, from those in the neighborhood, to the workers and the visitors. Because right now all we have is zero pedestrian traffic and dirty concrete. This could be an oasis in an otherwise dreary area. This proposal would inconvenience no one, I am very sure we would all adapt. I think anytime you can take cars off the street and build a park for pedestrians and public transportation-you do it.

Not sure if this video from the Greater Cleveland Partnership was ever posted. It talks about all of the proposed developments in the works for Cleveland. Nicely done-just hope it all happens. http://www.webcastgroup.com/webcast/window_new/frameset.asp?WebcastID=2190&reset=1

^ Musky-I missed the part about that being your work. All Apologies. But hey you have a great future at designing suburban High Schools. umm...i think i'll log off now :wink:

First off I am always pro-development and excited about the possibilities this project can bring. But please tell me the design of this building is in it's early stages. Tell me before you drop this hall of fame onto this major downtown area, that you can give us something better than what looks like some High School in Brunswick. That's the building design chosen to celebrate the great accomplishments of these athletes? Please go back to the drawing board and inspire us-the developers have a responsibility to the inductees and the city to give us something that will be known worldwide, something that equals their great accomplishments. You can show a photo of the Rock Hall around the world and it will be recognized as being in Cleveland. That's what's needed. Anything less should be rejected. The design review board in this city has been negligent of their duty to bring us higher standards of design in the past, that needs to change.

Cleveland: Ughh-even from space, you can't get away from those hideous orange seats at CBS. I'll bet NASA uses them as a navigation point. And to all of those who slam the Cuyahoga River for always looking brown-ALL rivers "appear brown". It has nothing to do with how clean or dirty it may be. Get over it.

Nothing makes me crazier than to take a unique piece of property like the scranton peninsula and build condo's and apartments on it. Great property, important property in a city should be used for the greater good-for everyone. Not just for those who can afford half-a-million dollar condos. There are enough areas in the center of the city that can be used for housing. This is a unique opportunity that we have to do something special with this area. I challenge FCM to do something different with this property, to think big and deliver us something that will be with us for generations. The Ratners will not be around forever, take this area and build your legacy, something that will change the face of this city. It could be that important.

I will continue to believe that this is a positive move. Instead of looking at it as the 'big bad clinic' imposing their will on us, I can see the benefits it will have for the whole area. CCF does not spare any expense when it comes to building projects. I trust they have very creative minds working on this. Considering the number of pro-masstransit posters on this forum, I don't understand the backlash against this. I mean how cool will it be to ride the BRT thru that area and see 20 blocks of landscaping, people outside talking and enjoying the gardens, trying to take a couple of minutes to get their minds off of the crucial work that they do. I see this as a whole medical corridor, with new businesses wanting to be a part of it. And being that the clinic is a "health" facility how good will it be to remove a couple tons of emission from the air everyday, so you can actually breathe around there. The Clinic employs thousands of people at very good wages, and will continue to be on the cutting edge. It's one of the few growth industries in this town. But as usual in Cleveland we don't listen to the needs and concerns of our biggest employers, and eventually chase them away. Having spent alot of time at the clinic while my dad was a patient, I was impressed with the concern and professional attitude they had while they were saving his life. The clinic is vital to this community, I am confident everyone will adapt, and the city will have a very unique area that everyone can enjoy.

Anytime you have the opportunity to add a significant amount of greenspace in a city full of concrete-you do it. Because those opportunity's rarely happen in a city that is as 'built out' as Cleveland. Everyone is always worried about people being able to adapt, what are we all stupid? Lets see...you can't go all the way down Euclid anymore-o.k. I think I've got it. The clinic is so important to this city, it's one of our major assets. Let's do what we can to help them remain successful. O.k. Next problem plz...

Personally I think the first one is brilliant. It's rare these days to see an architect with any kind of vision anymore. Because thats their duty, to see things as most of us don't. To reach the edge and go over it-and then do it again. Most architects today are just contractors. All they do is re-furb and re-hab, and everybody loves it. Thank god for architects such as phillip johnson,frank ghery, i.m.pei, because they understand their duty-and that is to create. But most architects today are negligent in their work. You look around these days and its still 1962, its like Ground Hog Day and were all Bill Murry. Do something to inspire me, make a difference. I want to look out my window sometimes and believe its 2006. Oh well...i think I'll go over to the Rock Hall tomorrow, before I lose all hope.

Below would be my idea for the Scranton Peninsula. I say dredge it out and create a new inner harbor for Cleveland. Imagine the possibilities this could create. This would kick start development behind TC. And all along the perimeter of the harbor the development possibilities are endless. It would be dramatic. Not too mention what could be done in the harbor itself throughout the year. This would give Cleveland a whole new look. Of course I like to think big, but I think it would be very feasible. (I added some buildings behind TC for effect and "greened" up the land a little bit. I also added some people to CBS because I hate those damn orange seats).

Here is a cool picture of Burke when it was lit-up for the Grand Prix

here is a link to a peedee article from 7/03 - I would post but it is very long http://www.cleveland.com/convention/index.ssf?/convention/more/1059224101102130.html

somewhere I can't see it... hey how 'bout DC-they've got a river. What a better way to display our country's manufacturing might. Let them deal with it for a while.

^ I agree in part. But industry does not have to "equal" rusted out, 100 year old dilapidated structures that destroy the quality of life of those that surround it. No one type of manufacturing should be able to dictate to us how we should be able to enjoy the land that is around us. It's not being a good neighbor-especially when those that benefit from it the most are physically far removed from it-when the closest they get to it is their weekly conference call. I am all for manufacturing, but until this country can produce products that we can actually afford, we have to explore other ways. This city has enormous brain potential, probably more than most-I believe the industrial flats can be put to better use-with a mix of nature,recreational, residential and light industry. But the type of industry that has been in the flats for the last 150 years should not be within a densly populated area.

I disagree that Burke should be demoed. My fear is that it would create another downtown, when we are far away from completing the one we allready have. Until we are to the point that the downtown urban area is fully functional and complete, I think Burke should stay as it is. Besides it is kinda of cool to have an airport right downtown. I would like to see it expanded to be able to land larger jets and be more profitable. The biggest mistake this city ever made was not building the Jetport in the lake. (All of you under 30 can set the wayback machine and google "Cleveland Jetport" and learn more about it)

This poster is absolutely correct. As with all of my previous posts on this thread I am 1000% behind this project. There are acres and acres of land in the industrial flats that could be demo`d and put to better use. Hopefully this is the start of something that may change the face of an area that literally chokes the life out of us everyday. Just because it has been industrial over the last 150 years, doesn't mean that is it's future. The dilapidated mills have dragged down the progress of this city for many years-it is time to move on. Lets return the valley to something more livable for everyone. The days of the big city industry is over, it does nothing but repel those who want to be a part of an urban area. SYC is a start, and maybe one day it will be surrounded by more habitable areas that we all can enjoy. As Bill Walton might say "Tear it down big fella, tear it down"