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Guys enough with the "area" going down hill. Thats really not the case. My parents have lived a stones throw from Parmatown for about 40 years, and I am over there all the time. The area is fine. Parmatown is no different than what happened to Westgate. Its a neighborhood mall that has outlived its purpose, and needs to be upgraded. Parma Hts/Parma is no more to blame than Fairview/Rocky River was for the demise of Westgate Mall. It simply needs some investmant.

So here is what looks to be an early image of Lakeview Terrace under construction. What a great and noble idea this was at the time, how cool would it have been if this neighborhood could have matured and grown over the years before it was neglected and a highway was driven thru it. What an awesome neighborhood it could have been.

My issue with a structure such as 6611 which has been a neighborhood eyesore for over a generation lies in my belief that its fate should not be determined by those who look at it from afar. Its future should be determined by those that interact with that space on a daily basis. Those who have invested their time and money in that neighborhood. That is what urban planning is to me. Decisions made by those who have a vested interest in their corner of the world. Because your vision may be different from theirs. And btw there is a good amount of residential in that area, especially behind the building across Chester and across Hough. And there is a huge opportunity for future residential development. In my view there may be a very strong possibility that those involved may appreciate a little more green space or an expansion of the Dunham. Give them a vote in its future. And as I have said about 6611 in the past , if that building was sitting at the end of Joe Calabrese's street it would have been demoed along time ago. And MH if you want to move this convo over to the Midtown thread, it might fit better

^Yes those evil Dunham people. A curse on them for attempting to make that area livable. But unfortunately they have had a front row seat to that devastation for a generation. I feel for those in that neighborhood who are greeted by that building everyday. Well RTA just gave them a nice Christmas present of most likely another 5 years of wait and see what happens.

From their FaceBook Fat Fish Blue (Cleveland) If FAT FISH BLUE is closing, we haven’t gotten the memo yet. Yeah, Tilted Kilt has been looking up our skirt for a couple of months, but we weren’t aware that they liked what they saw. Our lease is up in 2012, so they haven’t been the only ones looking. In fact, we’ve been doing a bit of market research ourselves… In the meantime, just in case SCENE knows more than we do: better get off the couch..., call your friends, and COME ON DOWN while you can! Christmas Ale is on tap, and our kitchen just brought back some marvelous autumn favorites: Alabama Shrimp & Grits, Louisiana Chicken Pie, Fat Fish Fettuccini and Zambo’s Bourbon Pecan Pie. (They also figured out that when you add Blackened Shrimp to Sister Mofo’s Mac’n’Cheese something marvelous happens in your mouth!) Great music line up this weekend & next. And the Public Square Lighting Ceremony is coming right up on Saturday November 26, just half a block from our front door – with FFB half-price parking. Happy Thanksgiving to all. We are most THANKFUL for our wonderful Staff & Vendors – and, of course, our Loyal Fans! Like · Comment · 9 hours ago ·

If you haven't yet, check out the most recent aerial photos of the innerbelt project. http://www.flickr.com/photos/innerbelt/sets/72157626983604860/with/6353285319/

The price is what it is. I am sure they did enough market research to determine the cost. I just looked at about six other regional aquariums and the price is in line with those. And there will probably be discount opportunities with various cross promotions. The Science Center when you add the Omnimax is about $25, the RockHall about the same. Even the zoo gets close to $18 when you add the rain forest. Any decent dinner entrée is about 18 - 25 bucks. There is not alot you can do for under twenty bucks a piece these days. The last thing you want to do is undervalue your product.

Here is a recent article/pics from the Detroit Free Press on Dan Gilbert's impact in Cleveland . Dan Gilbert's development blueprint for Cleveland looks similar to Detroit's 1:48 AM, Nov. 6, 2011 BY John Gallagher CLEVELAND -- If you think Quicken Loans founder and Chairman Dan Gilbert is having an impact on downtown Detroit, you ought to see what he's doing in Cleveland. Since Gilbert bought the Cleveland Cavaliers basketball team in 2005, he has renovated Cleveland's renamed Quicken Loans Arena (The Q), opened a mortgage banking center that now employs 300, built a $25-million practice facility for the Cavs, and is deep into construction for a $350-million Phase I of his future Horseshoe Casino in a former department store downtown, with a 16-acre new casino to follow in a few years. Gilbert's investments in and around downtown Cleveland will total close to $1 billion. http://www.freep.com/article/20111106/BUSINESS06/111060426/Dan-Gilbert-s-development-blueprint-Cleveland-looks-similar-Detroit-s

KJP-What if you move the West Side Transit Center thread from Transportation to Projects and Construction. Or and I am half joking here, just move it to Abandoned Projects seeing that Forest City is the land owner. Because they are probably preparing to hold somebody up for the price of that land. Cuz thats wut they do...

With my post earlier in the thread my point about affordable housing in Cleveland was focused on "new construction". I understand that Cleveland offers great values in it's housing market, but not so much with new housing units. The majority of young families do not want to live in 70 year old homes that are just not set up for the way we live today. People look for larger bathrooms, walk-in closets and updated kitchens. And unlike most older homes these will be energy efficient. This is the area http://g.co/maps/t9c5s Also StrangeBrew, is there monies available to bury any power lines that may be in the area. No power or telephone poles throughout the development will give it a much cleaner look. Thanks.

Actually neither, the bridge came right off of Mall C. You can see it in this rendering.

This is very exciting. And to me the key word is affordability, that should be Cleveland's future. Flood this city with new affordable homes with payments under 1k/m. That's what can bring us back. I am confident that young professionals and smaller families want a place in the city at affordable prices. Enough trying to build all of these 3 to 4 hundred thousand dollar townhomes. The market is just not there. You will struggle to sell them in Cleveland. The pressure to make a 2500 dollar mortgage payment every month is what keeps people from living in the city. Young families just cant afford it and will look for new construction in the outer suburbs at lower prices. StrangeBrew keep us informed.

If only I was half as cool as this dude...

Speaking of bridges I wish they would have kept the one that was part of the Great Lakes Exposition, built for a staggering cost of 80k. We could have been using it all these years. (sighs)

Damn what a great win. Good for them. It shows they didn't spend alot of time this week overanalyzing whether or not the renderings of the new dorms on Chester would interact with the urban landscape as to promote a greater responsibility of livability and density....lol.

For what it is worth one of the better posters at CitiData suggest that a developer has reached an agreement with HGI to develop the tower portion. The post was a couple of days after the Crains article of the garage sale. I wont post the link to another forum, most of you will be able to find it if you need.

Hmmm, OK. I wasn't expecting anything groundbreaking. But it is such an oddly shaped building I don't see how you can do much more. Would love to see it demoed and start from scratch but that's not happening for 64m. Trying to figure out what's going on in the lower part of the building, like floors 2 thru 5. Can't tell if that's windows or some kind of screen material. But yeah it looks fine to me, more importantly it will be thoroughly renovated by the time the MM/CC opens. It should be very busy. Can anyone read the architects sig. it looks like DA or something.

So I thought this was cool that the Glenville neighborhood was once a city all its own, till it was annexed by Cleveland in 1905. And it was also the home of the GLENVILLE RACE TRACK till it closed in 1908 and moved to the Village of North Randall which of course we now know as the home of Thisledown Race Track. So the next time your on St. Clair between E 88th and 101st thats where it was located. I wish it was still there. From The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History: http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=GRT The GLENVILLE RACE TRACK, part of an 87-acre development that attracted the city's wealthy sportsmen in the summer, was located on St. Clair between E. 88th and E. 101st streets where it was considered a first-class racecourse. Once the site of horse, auto, bicycle, and foot races, the Glenville track was built in 1870 by the Cleveland Driving Park Co. as part of the Northern Ohio Fair, whose major grounds were located across the street. The Northern Ohio Fair Assn., a stock company formed by leading citizens, including Frank Rockefeller, SYLVESTER EVERETT†, Warren H. Corning, and HOWARD M. HANNA†, promoted AGRICULTURE, horticulture, the mechanical arts, and trotting races. Although the fairground was abandoned in 1881, the driving-company venture remained successful until 1908, with harness races as the track's principal attraction. In 1872 Cleveland joined with Buffalo, Utica, and Rochester to become the Quadrilateral Circuit; within a year the group became part of the Grand Circuit, the major league of harness racing. In July 1876 a famous race, immortalized in verse by Oliver Wendell Holmes, pitted the famed Goldsmith Maid against Smuggler at the Glenville track. On 30 July 1885, William H. Vanderbilt's Maud S. set the world record for trotting (2:08 3/4) there. Horseracing at Glenville was later promoted by the Gentlemen's Driving Club, organized in May 1895 by HARRY K. DEVEREUX†, Col. Billy Edward, and DANIEL RHODES HANNA†. Devereux, the most prominent of the local drivers, amassed records and awards. The sporting life of the track overflowed into the nearby Roadside Club, where race spectators and participants wined and dined. Even after harness racing lost its appeal, the Roadside Club (also known as the 9100 club) prospered as a gambling club until 1935. The Glenville track was also used for auto racing where speed trials and match races featured well-known drivers such as Barney Oldfield. Fueled by the growth of Cleveland's AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, many cars were tested there, including locally built Baker Electrics and Wintons. Despite the popularity of racing at Glenville, the track was abandoned in 1908 when GLENVILLE mayor FREDERICK GOFF† declared betting illegal, and the center of local racing shifted to the village of NORTH RANDALL. The popularity of trotting races, the main attraction at Glenville, waned within a decade of its closing, and the Gentlemen's Driving Club passed out of existence prior to World War I.

^ And line the sky with pedestrian bridges :-D

Yes nice work. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope the brick can make it through to the end. That's usually what gets cut when money gets tight.

Some interesting land movement. Just search the title from Crains, it won't allow links. Thursday November 3, 2011 L.A. outfit finds time is right to shed downtown Cleveland land By STAN BULLARD 4:30 am, October 31, 2011 With casino gaming and a new convention center on the horizon, L&R Group of Los Angeles is trying to sell its downtown holdings. L&R has sold one of its properties and is in the hunt for buyers for parking lots near Quicken Loans Arena and the East Fourth Street and Warehouse District redevelopment hotspots. In a small sale that may telegraph bigger property plays, L&R through L&R 612 Prospect LLC recently sold for $1.1 million a tiny, two-story building at 620 Prospect Ave., according to Cuyahoga County land records. Most recently, the structure was the home of the closed View nightclub on the second floor, but it was beloved by bibliophiles as the one-time home of Kay's Bookstore. Three retailers occupy the first floor. >>>> search the title, should be the first one. L.A. outfit finds time is right to shed downtown Cleveland land

Is this thing a design-build or what. How come we never see any real renderings attached to these releases. Very odd.

Dude that is freakin awesome! Nice job. You should twitpic that over to Gilbert's Twitter account.

I know I have commented on this before and I am usually not the one to pile on the design of something considering someones individual opinion is mostly subjective. And I know that RTA's strong point is not station design with the lost opportunity for example of the Euclid Cooridor stations and how poorly they function as a space and their weak attempt at protecting its occupants from the harsh Cleveland elements. But I do know one thing, the person who signed off on the color purple at the new e55th station does not (A) live across the street from it (B) does not live in a purple house © does not have a purple house in their neighborhood. To me it is just horrid.

OMG, this thread makes me ill. Where is the ban hammer when you need it. All I can say is alot of you got "hooked" by one article in the scene and then a copycat one in the peedee. What, 19Action News and Harry Boomer didn't want any of this?