Htsguy

I watched a fair amount of the Ohio city community meeting last night online. If someone in the audience said the word parking one more time I thought my head would explode. Although to be fair, one of the four presentations concerned the new parking meter rollout in Ohio city.

I hit the little Italy parking jackpot. One of my best friends signed a lease for a house on Murray Hill, about 200 yards from Mayfield Road. It has this very long driveway as well as a parking pad in front. After all these years, I now have free convenient parking whenever I go little Italy.

Was that the one Modell wanted to build in the warehouse district where SHW is? What a horrible idea that was. It would have destroyed the urban fabric. At the time, nobody thought that way in Cleveland. If somebody wanted to build something new in downtown Cleveland at the time it was simply "thank God". I guess to a certain extent it is still that way, but at least a little more thought goes into projects these days.

Despite pretty high rents, this building has the potential to fill up quickly given it location and quality. I hope this encourages the developer to start working on the lot at the corner of Warrensville and Chagrin sooner rather than later. It is really the missing piece that would make this project even more transformative for the area and may even encourage ancillary development on Warrensville.

Obviously, I understand why a large portion of those attending games prefer domes, especially in very hot or very cold climates (Duh). I personally prefer open air stadiums. I guess I could go for a retractable dome if it has a huge opening and there are tons of windows along the sides of the stadium with commanding views. I just would hate sitting in a mausoleum during a beautiful sunny Sept or October Sunday and would trade the discomfort of 5-6 three hour games toward the end of the season for those wonderful fall days. I also enjoy that rare experience when the weather is really horrible. It is sort of an event you remember your whole life and rehash over and over at the dinner table. I still get a lot of milage out of relating to the young folks in the family what if was like to be in Municipal stadium for that 1981 playoff game with the Raiders.

I guess you can ask thousands of people in Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, New England, New York, twice, Philadelphia, Kansas City and Denver.

I think Bedrock has enough on its plate

I am curious. Does Whalen already own the property or have an option on it? I was under the impression that nothing was/could be done on this lot until Great Lakes decides what it is going to do or where it would end up.

I imagine when they are doing the math they also have to take into account that the great student enrolled decline is going to hit in 2-3 years arising out of large decrease in births due to the 2008 recession.

Cannot read the article since I don't subscribe, but a Crain's headline is reflecting that CSU's plans to replace the Wolstein Center are off. No great surprise given the current financial situation but bummed as the development would have been a great shot in the arm to the area around Payne and the Interbelt and would have continued the momentum of development on Superior.

There has been a discussion of this since yesterday in the Suburban Crime thread and I believe the Random Cleveland thread. Suburban crime thread is probably the best place to continue to discuss this. However, to your last point, (and it probably says a lot about me as a horrible person) the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard about this was not how the victim was but how this was going to effect the proposed development on the flats east bank. I guess I have been on UrbanOhio way too long.

Interesting. I really want this development to move forward (Vibrator) but I not sure they even have finally approval from PC (or was it Landmarks). I may be wrong. They have been before one of the Boards a long time ago but I think it was a conceptual presentation.

^why should the city shell out money for a long term analysis if the Haslam's commissioned one? Would this not be redundant and a waste of scarce resources? Aren't they suppose to be partners in this process not rivals or combatants? Shouldn't the city supposedly trust the Browns? I am under the impression that the five year audit is necessary for regular, necessary and responsible maintenance of a city owned facility. A long term, and I imagine expensive, renovation analysis is needed more for a drastic re-imagining of the facility which is something the Browns want not necessarily something the city desires with all its other pressing needs. Should it not be that if the city spends any funds in relation to a long term study, they should simply hire experts to review the Browns report for the purpose of offering a critique rather than commission a separate, and again I imagine, costly study

Why not both?

I cannot imagine any major highway infrastructure project could be completed before 2029. Even if they started planning today (which they are not), there is also the time consuming process of finding and authorizing the money, which as we all know takes forever. Then throw in the competition with other state projects, many of which have been in the planning, design and funding pipeline for a long and have still not started. And as we all know actually construction takes a fair amount of time. Look how long we have been planning, discussing and looking for money for Phase 2 of the interbelt and that is not even close to starting. It will be a cluster f$%& for a long time.

As suggested time and time again in this thread, all that surface parking, which Haslam will control, is one of the key reasons for the move. And actually, there will be even more surface parking than depicted in this rendering because none of that ancillary stuff will ever be built.

Honestly what do you think? Of course such traffic studies while be needed in the future as the development proceeds, but guess who is going to pay for that?

Well, if that’s the case, there are possibly a hell of a lot of new hotel rooms being proposed. This alleged skyline changing hotel, this possible Dream hotel and the W at Erieview. Blaine Griffin is going to have a heart attack. He is already questioning whether Cleveland is over hoteled. It is one of his signature lines in committee.

It has never really been tested but it is probably unconstitutional.

I know you don't like to spill the beans prematurely given your position, but is this proposed Dream the skyline altering hotel you have been hinting at? Again I understand if you cannot say.

I also love London. Probably my favorite city. Now to be a picky prick. I believe the last picture actually shows the renovated Battersea Power Station and the development around it-the new US Embassy is nearby. The area of London referred to as "the City", which is primarily the older financial district, is across the river and a few miles away.

These points and other development disadvantages of this site have been reiterated in this thread over and over by forum members. If it is so obvious to us why is it not to Haslam. He is a billionaire...he must have some business savvy. He is clearly drawn to this site because of its size so he can build his dome and control a sea of parking. The other stuff is just hype and won't happen.

I believe you comment about L'Albatros is misinformed.

You should read the follow up posts.

Right. The process of accumulating all the necessary land would’ve taken years and cost a fortune.