Htsguy

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but does anybody know what is going in on the southwest corner of E. 83rd and Carnegie? They are renovating that former dry cleaner building and doing a great job in my opinion. Really looks sharp, especially in contrast to that "white thing" across the street which has been under construction for like three years now. Key Tower went up faster.

I'm no expert, but I would think this property, while ideally situated, would be very expensive to turn into a hotel. I would imagine due to the layout it would have to be completely gutted inside (just one item comes to mind of many....thinking of the plumbing you need for a hotel versus a pre war office building). Once they start digging I bet they will find tons of hidden issues in an old building that, I would venture, has not been very well maintained over the years. I hope the Board does not think it is going to make a killing on the sale just because of location.

^I believe this was already noted up thread and has been discussed at length for the past 3-4 days in the Steelyard thread (if you would like to review other posters comments on the topic)

^I think X is simply expressing the frustation that too much of this thread is all about parking at CSU. Going round and round on this topic gets old after a while.

Great job!

^Based on the above, the first thing that occurred to me was the Kamm's Corner neighborhood of Cleveland

So this is the final design and size of the apartment or is this just a mock up to give an idea off? I ask because weren't there discussions about downsizing the apartments in phase 2 or something? Another question I have is with all the funding Wolstein got from those numerous amounts of people did that cover phase 2 as well? I believe what is shown is a downsizing from the original residential component. It appears this will now be done is stages.

And the green wall of the parking garage in the background... I'm trying to decide how I feel about the relationship between the restaurant and residential buildings to the boardwalk and water. In the summer I can imagine that wide boardwalk with the landscaped buffer being pretty sweet, but for 8 months of the year, I think having the buildings a little closer to boardwalk and water would make for a much nicer public space. As depicted, that boardwalk may feel creepily empty and isolated in our grayer months. I was wondering the same thing....but I would not want the buildings too close to the river at that height.

^oh my god. St. Clair about 40th. Just look for the people standing in line to get in

^I guess that means we then go back to jdm00's post (who was trying to interpret GCrites post that you were questioning (boy this is getting complicated))....if conservative are worried about the "crushing" obligations caused by transit workers they should also attack the "roadway" public workers (listed by GCrites) who are unionized and "allegedly" (I personally have no idea) out number transit workers by a significant factor. WOW....that was like algebra.

^but none of the examples given by GCrites were construction workers...they were all public employees supporting roadways to one extent or another.

Actually 327 you are completely wrong about other cities and downtown department stores (for the reasons outlined by MTS). There are very few cities (except for the really large ones) with more than one downtown department store (at least the traditional ones as we knew Higbees and Halles, not department speciality stores like Saks or Niemans) and in a large number of downtown cities, just like Cleveland, there are none. Detroit, Columbus, Denver and Baltimore just to name a few. There a many more in the same boat. I hope this is not getting too off topic.

those damn poor people get all the perks.

I have been on the board since about 2007 and I wish I had a nickel each time the "homeless issue" in Cleveland comes up in a thread. It could be in a construction thread, parking thread, business thread or what ever. Usually starts as an off the cuff comment in said thread and then blossoms into a 4-5 page discussion (usually a re-hash of things said in anothe thread just months earlier) with insightful thoughts, positive solutions, crazy ideas, mindless political jargon, bigoted comments and often endless bickering. I guess this is what this board is all about but sometimes...well...you know. That is why I said "here we go".

^oh boy...here we go.

My "hmmm" was not to indicate that ClvIndr was perhaps suggesting that something was in the works on the peninsula. It was meant as "c'mon....are you nuts or something even thinking this is going to happen" When I was a young pup, a partner in my firm had a client with an interest in the Scranton Penisula and was running around the office saying that big things were going to start and happen in the next two years. That was 1984. I am pretty sure that I will be using my nuclear powered walker the first time I step into the the hot new restaurant on the peninsula.

My opening day memories...Gomer Hodge in the ninth against Boston (and then the next day)...Frank Robinson's homer....Gaylor Perry and 74,000 fans....19 innings (yes we stayed) in the freezing cold against Boston (would have been nicer if the Tribe won).

^Scranton Pen. development gets off the ground? Hmmm.

^"Old Thyme Herbs"? I want to met the banker who OK'ed that business plan. :wink:

^you guys should not fret. The negativity of the comment section of a newspaper internet sites is universal (especially, it seems, regarding urban issues or spending anybody's $$$). Don't know what drives these people, especially since they are generally ill informed and extreme in their opinions. I guess it just makes for a colorful world.

^^Happy to hear that a downtown restaurant was fairly packed on a Tuesday night with nothing going on (actually was anything going on?).

^Personally don't have any idea if any of the lessee's are in default. I do recall that they were very aggressive a few years back inticing firms to relocate to the building, and they were entering into some sweet heart deals. I know of at least two mid-size law firms that moved from the Terminal Tower to Erieview after supposedly obtaining very good deal on rents. Maybe this has now started to hurt them in some way. It is not cheap to continue to offer the amenities that such firms expect even if they were able to secure great rents. Again, who knows.

Erieview Tower has 700,000 square feet according to the Crain's article.

The Crain's article indicates it is currently 76% leased.

^who is doing the dreaming? It is my impression that Clevelander's, for what ever reason, are not that big into high rise living. Obviously if there was the demand like there apparently is in the cities you mention, some smart developer would take advatage of it.