Htsguy

Developing these suburban offices into residences is like apple and oranges when compared to dense urban areas. I am in the camp that believe it will be harder and perhaps even more expensive, especially those surrounded by tons of unappealing surface parking that are not close to other amenities that you can walk to or easily drive to. The reason I think it will be more expensive is that in order to make these very bland environments more attractive, new and interesting development will have to happen in the current parking lots, and if you don't do this, rents are going to have to be much lower due to the unattractiveness of the living environment. If I am a suburban multi-family developer, unless I can get these buildings for almost nothing, I am just going to find a greenfield and build new. All this is especially true in a slow to no growth area like Greater Cleveland.

^My gut says that Design Review and Planning Commission are going to have many questions regarding this parking plan. At this point I too would like to see more details.

I am guessing that the additional public subsidies will be before one or two city council committees in the next month or so. It will be interesting to see who appears on behalf of the developer and what is presented.

On Murray Hill Rd near the intersection with Adelpert. Right after the dinning hall on the corner if you are heading east on Murray Hill.

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I wish I had a website with pretty pictures on it.

Actually I don't recall SHW ever offering anything concrete about the "temporary parking lot" they were putting in to the west of the building other than it was being reserved for "future development". No time line and certainly nothing as definitive as what the height might be. I think any suggestion of height and possible future use has been speculation by us on this forum. I will say that I continue to be disappointed that this far into the development of the tower there have been no announcements, or even any sexy rumors, about the empty land fronting St. Clair and West 6th. I thought we would have heard something by now. It is just such prime real estate.

I know you said this is just a rumor but ideas like that make my headache. Why is it in this country that things like arenas and stadiums have a 25-30 self life and we don't think anything of it and our basic infrastructures (water and sewer systems just one example) are often more than 100 years old and need of major overhauls and we have to fight and cajole and scrape money together to get even minor things done.

It will if Jamie Dimon is elected king.

If this forum is any indication, I bet those public input meetings are a lot of fun for the individuals running them.😉

Just speculation on my part but I bet Progressive had a significant number of work from home or hybrid employees before the pandemic, more than most companies, and it blossomed from there. Insurance is one legacy industry where a work from home model can work pretty well with few of the reported downsides. Many of the jobs just administrative like in nature and very few positions could be considered creative or require in person brain storming and little meeting with clients. Maybe some in marketing. Lots of work over the internet.

I as well roll my eyes at all this "public input", but I believe it has been suggested in the past that it is required as part of the process to secure federal funds.

Is it me or are some of the concepts sort of pedestrian for a site that really should be a Cleveland show piece. I mean a "cookout grove" and basketball courts. Those are great but better suited for more of a neighborhood park or someplace like Irishtown Bend park, especially given the really limited space.

I believe that considering who the owner has been for quite some time

By the way. Lost in all this suburbs talk is how such a move would affect any possible Haslam investment in the Lakefront plan unrelated to the stadium. Is the plan to be unveiled today ready for the shelf already, along with the nine others proposed over the last few decades?

So if it goes to the suburbs then the Haslams are going to pay the whole 2 billion cost of the stadium themselves. I mean Brookpark, Independence and Highland Hills are not going to be able to contribute anything and I can't see Cuyahoga County offering anything if it is not downtown. So then, if the Haslams are going to have to pay the whole tab, why not just build it downtown.

^^I think I know what is it. Browns finally agreeing to my idea and are putting a new stadium on an island near the water intake crib. I mean consider the skyline views.

Haven't we known that for more than a week now. In fact didn't @KJP write a NeoTran article about this July 27 announcement sometime last week?

My guess is Chester 82. @KJPposted near the end of June that actual building permits were being issued for the project.

This RFP doesn't seem to jive with suggestions on the board that a site has already been selected, unless this is just a legal technicality/ cover your butt kind of process.

In high school I worked for Bond (Southgate location) and back then thought the downtown location was hideous. Now I think it was something special and clearly added more to Euclid Avenue street life than the current PNC plaza. I actually would have liked it if City Club did something to pay homage to the Cleveland Hippodrome which was previously on the site. Maybe incorporate some sort of funky theatre marquee into the design.

My guess is that any high rise has to be a bit further south, probably in the vicinity of the Ninth Street rapid station and near the proposed land bridge.

This is the one and only thread I have started in my nearly 18 years on the forum. Reading my original post starting the thread, it has become clear to me how hard it is to predict these things. For example, my guess at that time (2014) was that the Brinkman Duck Island project was going to be the next development to break ground. Not only was that not the case, but what we have at that site now-Waterford Bluffs-is not even a Brinkman project. Moreover, a couple of my possible suggestions, which at the time seemed likely to happen soon, are now completely dead (Nucleus and a second Flats East Bank office building). Playhouse Square apartment (Lumen) and One University Circle did eventually happen but we are still waiting on the Lakefront which I thought in 2014 was just about to happen-silly me.

After watching a couple of Cuyahoga council meetings the past few months where they argued with the administration over the jail and county participation in the Lakefront Commission, if seems to me that any consensus on the very expensive courthouse is not going to happen anytime soon and not without another protracted fight.

Yeah...what exactly is this.