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What is the footprint for this planned development? The article said that behind and surrounding the courts and garden are affordable apartment buildings owned by Over-the-Rhine Community Housing (OTRCH). It goes on to say that the new construction would mean the destruction of the basketball courts, housing developments and half the community garden. This is simply not acceptable. There is absolutely no need to demolish these buildings. I am not certain exactly which ones are in danger, but most appear to be in pretty damn good shape. If the units are owned by OTRCH, and OTRCH opposes the development, how does this project proceed without their approval. Is this just posturing by OTRCH to get more out of Northpointe? Surely OTRCH has the right to not sell the apartments and scuttle the plan. Northpointe, or the city, or whoever can't just simply take the buildings can they?

All of this may be true, but it has nothing to do with the picture of the building you posted. I was just trying to clarify if you were saying a portion of the original college building was still intact. The picture you posted is from the 1830's. It is of the old Lancaster Seminary building, which later became the Cincinnati College building. This building was built in 1815 and burned to the ground in 1845. It was replaced by the Cincinnati College building which lasted until 1902, when it was demolished for purposes of building the Mercantile Library building. http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t0gt5vm6m;view=1up;seq=86

It is possible I misunderstood what you were saying, but there is nothing left of this old college building. This was located downtown on Walnut Street near 4th. On the present site of the Mercantile Library building.

@ Prokno5, Very well said, I agree completely with this. That U-Shape is a horrendous precedent to set, and should not be allowed in OtR. Hate seems appropriate in this instance.

^ The Eastern portion of the base was Bond's and the Western portion was J C Penny's. Here are several interior photos of Bond's from the LOC. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=bond's%20cincinnati

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In the history of the changing face of OTR, this building was home to a lot of the Appalachian community's activities. It was literally and figuratively the locus of the Appalachian Identity in OTR. It was home to the Appalachian Identity Center throughout the 1970's,80's,and 90's. So it is linked to the story of OTR's past and can be a part of it's future, which is experiencing change once more. An interesting aside to this, is that before the Appalachian Center moved to this building, it was formerly housed in the old building (green one) at the SWC of Walnut and Mercer. Which we all know was torn down a few years ago.

I don't know the history of this building, but it has survived when everything else around it has long since been demolished. They want to name this phase 2 of the Grammers development after the old Central Turner Hall (IIRC) well then, use this building as some sort of museum or hall of fame for the German Society's that were all over this block. You could have old Turners uniforms, exercise equipment, Boss Cox memorabilia the possibilities are endless. Turner Hall backed up against Wielerts, they were, for all intents and purposes one building. The Germans drank at Wielerts and headed over to Turn Halle and vice versa. You also had the old Swimming pool and Merry go round where OTR Krogers is. And the Winter home for John Robinsons circus, directly behind this building. The building is a relic from those days and could be used in some cool way to call attention to events and times that it was witness to.

I hate the idea of demolishing this building. They can find a use for that shitty old post office building at 1429 Walnut, 2 doors North of here and built probably in the 60's (isn't it going to be a bar?) but they can't seem to find a use for this building?

Court Street Centre, from another time. https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/handle/2374.UC/705576

There doesn't seem to be much interest in the new plans for the apartments. Is there just too much going on in Cincy on the weekends or something? Is this just a meh project? Cincinnati forumers are talking about projects that aren't happening or going nowhere. Millenium Hotel, Purple people Bridge, Emery Theater, the Terrace Plaza Hotel. I'm just waiting for talk about the Fort Washington Way Caps to start back up. I'm just wondering, this seems like a wonderful, unexpected turn of events and no one seems to have noticed. Strange.

^Thanks. That's a relief. I check in on their Facebook page but there hasn't been anything new since Easter. I was starting to worry.

Just curious if anyone has any updates on the Taft's Ale House project? I haven't heard anything since construction was supposed to start in March. Is this project happening?

There goes the season. Oh well, there's always next year :)

I love that long gone feature of Sycamore Hill. What a unique little spot it must have been. Cincinnatians can recall with pride most of the nicknames of the Queen city, but one that seems to have been all but forgotten was "the Edinburgh of America", because of the many homes clinging to hillsides. http://www.cincinnatimemory.org/gsdl/collect/greaterc/archives/HASH0124/d74eef28.dir/ocp003020pccpc.jpg

I posted this once before, but it was wiped out in the great UrbanOhio crash. It's so awesome in all of it's glorious decay I had to repost. http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267401coll34/id/4451/rec/22

Got any pictures from back in the day? Sadly, no. I grew up in a large family, 10 brothers and sisters. One thing I discovered in the family dynamic, is that the females (sisters, girlfriends, wives) were known to abscond with photos on a regular basis. Any picture that had a connection to them or the object of their affection was deftly relocated to be added to their own personal memorabilia. Over time, through breakups and divorces, and photos simply being lost, any and all trace of those times are long gone.

From 1970-1984 I attended that little church. In very tumultuous times it was indeed a sanctuary. Sometime in the mid 70's the church purchased and renovated the building you are rehabbing. that's probably where the drop ceilings and paneling come from, what can I say, it was cool then. We used it as Sunday school rooms, coffee house etc. It's nice to see it getting some love, good luck to you in this endeavor.

Wonderful news. Is anybody else on here old enough to remember when 24-26 w7th housed the Oskamp-Nolting dept. store? I loved that old store, it was like an unexpected little gem. Wonderful toy department, outstanding train selection. The best part for me was the old elevator and the elevator operator/attendant. I am very pleased to hear of this development, downtown just keeps rolling along. Keep the good news coming.

Rants are not required to be in proper paragraph formation. I am not demonizing DeB I fully, 100% support it. If that wasn't clear from my post, then I'm truly sorry. I quess I was so po'ed by all the bs resulting from the event, that perhaps I didn't express my thoughts clearly.

I think that the urban gentrifiers like to convince themselves that there really is no displacement taking place in OTR (it's a sweet notion. I know that there are no numbers to prove it, but c'mon let's be real, there has to be some poorer residents being forced out). And with DeB you literally had a bunch of "white people" descending en masse on OTR. To some urbanists who like to think they do no harm whatsoever, DeB was an alarming sight. "Look at those people", they tell themselves. We would never do that, never behave in such an in your face manner, while little by little, step by step, in palatable, bite-size increments they keep gentrifying, keep marginalizing the poorer residents. Coming to that realization is a hard pill to swallow. To make themselves feel better, they have to distance themselves from this event, which although fun and innocent, just "felt wrong" to them. It had the appearance of racism, white privilege, elitism etc... It "felt right" to level charges at the organizers and participants that they should have known better, or they shouldn't have held their event here, what were they thinking? As if the cost to this particular set of "suburbanites" (even though I think I read that more than half were residents of Cincinnati) coming into the city for one day is that they have to know the entire history of unrest, displacement, understand the rich/poor socio-economic divide and be prepared to address these grievances before doing their business here. I enjoyed some of the responses to the article along the lines of,don't they realize that displacement is taking place,that the drop in center (or whatever social agency) is being forced to move/relocate. That was a real gem, I mean how long have they been advocating moving some of these services out of OTR? Now the Deb organizers have to be properly mournful that this is happening. If I could address something from UrbanCincy's original article, I especially liked the part where the author said something to the effect that word of mouth continues to reveal the dark side of Diner en Blanc. Really? WTF? Please enlighten us, what did your research uncover? Did the participants parade around in black face, perhaps? Was the "N word" heard to be uttered, maybe? No! None of these things? Is this simply more satire,or do these demons only exist in your closed minded hell? I am just curious what the reaction will be next year if the organizers gather their group of 2,500 mostly white people in white, at the Smale Riverfront Park in the shadow of the Underground Railroad Freedom Center. Oh, those clueless suburbanites, someone please take them and lead them, preferably out of the city limits next time. Sadly it seems, Cincinnati is simply not big enough for them.

Does anyone know if there was any controversy in any of the other U.S. or world cities that this event was held in? Or is it only in Cincinnati where a flash mob of foodies dressed in all white and converge at a secret destination is taken to have racial or insensitive overtones. I think to some extent people are projecting their own insecurities about the gentrification of OTR onto this event. IIRC, There wasn't this controversy last year.

I had many a greasy hoagy from Angilos' pizza at Vine and Liberty. Also, altho not a chain, I loved me some chili at Little Mexico Chili Parlor at 14th and Vine.

There was the Red Barn at Vine & Mercer. There were 2 Chuckwagon restaurants, one at 13th and Main, and the other at 13th and Vine. There was an Arthur Treacher's fish and chips near the southwest side of Liberty and either Race or Elm, I don't remember which one.

The other White Castle was at the sec Vine & Liberty. I remember it well.