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^ Yeah, I recall that as well. From looking at OTRCH's facebook page, it seems actual construction has been ongoing since May.

Duh. I just visited the site you posted and it mentions the opera house.

Yeah. pretty amazing. IIRC it was originally intended to be an opera house, before it was re-envisioned as a library. Thanks for posting this.

cincinnati_kid, the website is the Cincinnati History Library and Archives. From there access the Photographs section.Then access any of their collections of photos,all of which are excellent. I believe a while back someone made mention of the Kenyon Barr photo collection,probably that is what you are referring to?I have heard that the gentleman who took all of those photos took thousands of them.I don't know how many,but this website has over 800 catalogued. By the way,OTR ,thanks for posting these,I've never seen some of them,I especially like the ones of Sycamore hill with a tantalyzing glimpse of the steps to some of the homes on the East side of the street,and the peek down to Liberty Street before the widening of that thoroughfare.

Having grown up in OTR in the late 60's to early 80's I remember a garage in the alley parallel to mercer and 13th (we never called the alleys by their names,they were collectively known as the "middle alleys") anyway, this garage was simply a storage area for tires.Every so often you would see this old truck piled sky high with tires bringing another load which would be dumped in this storage/garage area. Ah.....the memories

Because, we must distance ourselves from "THOSE PEOPLE".We must never associate ourselves with "THEM",for fear of being lumped with them.The fact that you don't know this raises serious questions about your own place within the herd here at UO. Just accept that they are part of the unwelcome crowd. We will tolerate them in our midst,but we can never have anything in common with them. Don't you know that the sorts of people who frequent these sorts of places are...... mouthbreathers? Anyway,you may think it seems a little snobbish,but thats just the way it has to be, for everyones good.

Truly spectacular! I don't know much about photography, cameras, composition or any of that .All I know is I've already viewed this thread 3x in its entirety, and I needs me another fix. More please. Can't wait for chapter 2.

I don't know precisely where this is, but that is most definitely Mt. Adams in the background. You can make out Rookwood Pottery to the left and and the Mt. Adams Incline to the right. I think people are being thrown for a loop because we are not used to seeing street level pics of this part of town.

^Yes, clearly, more dense, not even close. Heck I can"t see the built form for all of the trees everywhere.

Sorry, hit the wrong key, continuing on........nothing above Liberty, and only a portion of OTR. This was the basin area before the climb up the hills,and annexation and the spreading out of the city.By 1860 an average of 30,000 people lived in each square mile of the central city.

Yeah, thank you CDM. We all know that over time Cleveland surpassed Cincinnati in population and in population density. The linked picture speaks volumes.It shows the core downtown,part of the Westend 9NOTHING ABOVE

The Reds won again last night. Since being swept by the Cardinals at GABP they are 6-0, have notched 2 series sweeps, and have gained 4.5 games on the Cards to stretch their NLC lead to 3.5 games.There is still plenty of baseball to play, and anything can happen, but with another week like the one they just experienced and this central division race will be over. GO REDS!!!

The reds are coming off a 3 game sweep of the Pirates. They have won 5 in a row, and are only 1 game out of first place. The first place Cards are coming to town for 3 games this weekend, does anybody out there care?

I think it's time y'all urban dwellers move out to the 'burbs. It's the only rational thing to do in the face of the genocide taking place. All kidding aside it really is very troubling how cheap some value human life.

^^He was probably thinking of Ojai Ca. hometown of Steve Austin and Jaime Sommers. AKA the six million dollar man and the bionic woman

This past spring the parsonage that sits behind the church was being offered for rent.I spoke to Mr klosterman several times about it. Ultimately the place was simply too big for my needs, so I moved on. Apparently he was raised in the parsonage(or at least lived for some time in it) and has ties to the church and the area. When Our Lady of Perpetual Help was newly constructed the pastor was one Joseph Klostermann. That can't just be coincidence. I'm pretty sure he would be open to anything that preserves the history and integrity of the church, thats just my opinion tho, I can't say for certain.

I think the catholic church was Church Of The Sacred Heart Of Jesus, aka Church Of The Sacred Heart, or simply the Italian Church. Also lost was the venerable Fenwick Club,and the old Allen Temple which formerly was the jewish synagogue K.K.Bene Israel constructed in 1852.

^The photo has to have been taken before 1930. Just below the "Cincinnati" part of the identifying tag (Cincinnati Museum Center) you can see the the Carew buildings clock tower. The Carew Building was the predecessor to the Carew Tower. The American Building was constructed in 1928, so the date is between 1928-1930. Anyway thats my guess. The date could be further narrowed down if someone knows when the Carew Building was demolished for the Carew tower. The bank building was at the southeast corner of 12th and vine, I can recall climbing around its columns and base as a kid. It was every bit as substantial as it appears.

I really like the Ascent. I think its DARING, BOLD and PROVOCATIVE. It certainly catches your eye and commands your attention. I can't wait until it is finished as and appears to "soar" against a backdrop of a sparsely cloudy blue sky. Cincinnati will then be the home of the flying pig and the floating building. What other region can claim that distinction?

Thank you Cincy-Rise,for for being the voice of reason here. RANDO:It is extremely important to consider the claims of an argument before you go attacking said argument,shooting imaginary holes through unexamined opinions. Do some research,examine other sources of information.Fully educate yourself on a matter before deciding your position/where you stand on any topic. You might say: "I already know all the answers to one of the great mysteries of life , therefore, I don't need to hear anymore on this matter". In any other situation we would call this close-minded. Why do scientists,"some of the smartest people in the world", get a free pass with the "facts" they disseminate? Would you believe the government and all their information,because they have your best interests at heart? It is obvious how you feel about religious organizations. So you don't believe them to be truthful. None of us would simply take these organizations word for it,we would examine their claims. You know, we would have no problem believing that people being raised around religious zealots,constantly being fed "facts" day in and day out could be indoctrinated to believe exactly the same way as their teachers believe. These people,lets call them students, are usually very dogmatic in their "beliefs", they may not be able to explain them to you but you will rarely ever change their opinion.We accept this scenario without hesitation, we may even know people like this. We may regard all people of faith as falling into this category. Why can't the opposite viewpoint be taken as well? Can a child,a generation of children really, who have been fed only one viewpoint;a virtually unchallenged viewpoint at that,for we all know there are no other explanations of origins offered or even allowed in the classroom;indeed,what child would dare speak a differing opinion in such an environment; can such a child, such a generation,also be considered to have been "indoctrinated" as well? Is it possible that,in the case of origins,there really is only one side to the story? Apparently scientists really have no vested interest in maintaining their own little paradigm.Unlike the church, which goes to great lengths to maintain their interests,their world view.No,scientists,bless their pure little hearts, are only interested in the "truth".They just toil away in their labcoats,peering over microscopes and test-tubes.They have no ulterior motives;should evolution be proven a hoax,or the big bang a big bust,then they will have lost nothing. RIGHT!!!!! I'm sure all the funds/grants/research foundations will just keep rollin' in. But I'm probably wrong here,I'm sure they don't concern themselves with maintaining the status-quo.No self intrest motivates them to keep the monies flowing. They would be just as content to work at any other endeavor. There would be no attempt at: " deliberately trying to hide the truth for generations...in fear that it might jeapardize the influence and power their institution has held for so many years" . Yeah, I believe them. I mean what reason would they have for not being totally,totally honest with us? I'm sure they "desire truth over everything else". Just don't examine this truth too closely....the devil is in the details,don't ja know? And what may appear as FACTS, are themselves in fact, GREAT LEAPS OF FAITH. You may choose to disregard this totally, but the person who WHO REALLY SEEKS TRUTH looks much, much deeper than what is evident from the dismissive tone evident is some previous posts.

Remember the name of the article here folks. This is not most places, this is "Cincinnati: A city of contradictions". It matters here. People DO CARE. Cincinnati is the quintessential "little big city". You can't go anywhere w/o running into someone you know,your parents know etc. These things carry great weight in this town. There probably is no satisfactory explanation,it just is the way it is because cincy is the way it is.This is definitely more of a westside, private school thing tho and is a little foreign to most folks from the eastside.

^Anyone who doesn't understand the high school remark is either a recent transplant, went to school in the suburbs,is not from here,or ownly hangs out with people who fall into these categories.Just as Cincinnati is known for its "cincinnati style chili", we are also famously loyal to our high schools. I work in construction and I would wager that the topic of "what school (IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE QUESTION IS WHAT HIGH SCHOOL) did you go to" comes up at the very least 4 or 5 times a week. IMO the writer is dead-on in this regard He is not saying no one goes to college here, just that true Cincinnatians loyalties are first and foremost to their high schools.If this is not true for you then you are a "lesser pedigree" Cincinnatian.

Pretty good article. A rather intriguing look at what makes the Queen city tick. Kinda gives the city a mystique all its own. I've always thought Cincy was "the most northernly southern city", and "the most southernly northern city".

^^Maybe "tempted" isn't the right word. Perhaps you are being "drawn". ^Actually visit. Then tell us your impression. I am definitely planning to go. I think it sounds like fun. It is definitely a one of a kind destination. I think people should reserve judgement til they actually see it.

I may be jumping the gun here,not having read the full article;but this excerpt really gives me pause. I know there are still some questions concerning 3CDC, particularly their intentions as regards the whole Washington Park ,Vine Street and Rothenburg Elementary schools. Hand in hand with the school question is the unresolved issue (at least as I understand it)of what their plans are for those 22 buidings they had slated for demolition around Mercer street. These seem to me the most obvious reasons to keep a wary eye on 3CDC. Oh, and their plans for the Music Hall garage(am I correct in stating that is their development?). Having said that, my inclination is to regard 3CDC as ally, supporter and apparent SAVIOR of OTR. Am I going overboard in my praise? Perhaps,but realistically where was the neighborhood headed before they threw their hat in the ring? Suffering a slow painful death with a rapidly approaching "POINT OF NO RETURN". I know there were/are those staunch defenders,the plucky urban vanguard going against the grain, investing their blood sweat and tears etc...but that wasn't enough. There was more tearing down than building up. The face of OTR was changing alright:but it was an aging,tired,haggard, and increasingly 'toothless' face. In all honesty, OTR was KAPUT!! Now however, there is change afoot. Not just talk of change,but TANGIBLE PROOF!! Everywhere there are signs of this change,evidence that a new day has dawned in OTR.The best part is that the most striking transformation is occurring not on the outskirts,not on the hillsides ringing the city:but in the heart of the district,VINE STREET and areas adjoining it are experiencing a renaissance. The momentum is building and these are very,very exciting times!! You all know this.I have not said anything that is not obvious to anyone who is following this rebirth. My concern here is the aforementioned article,and National Trust For Historical Preservations' take on what is occurring in OTR. As I said at the out-set,I may be premature in my assessment.....however, I just cant shake this bad feeling. Many of you are not old enough to recall another comparable period in OTR history. In the late 70's early 80's there was great interest and will to invest in the neighborhood. The developments taking place on Prospect Hill,Mulberry and others was pushing down the hillsides and was destined to arrive in the inner city. Apparently this was a terrible,terrible thing, a fate worse than death. A crime of unspeakable proportions was about to take place in Cincinnati.This sad tale was repeated in the national news and on 60 Minutes. Opposition had to be mounted to counter this great injustice. Soon, homeless advocates,minority leaders,socialist organizations and everybody else were involved. "Gentrification" was a very bad word indeed. And the city and investors were hammered with claims that the rich white element was pushing out the poor,the homeless,the minority,the infirm etc. It seemed as though it was preferred that OTR remain a slum,a ghetto for those on the fringes of society. Investment stopped,notwithstanding the occasional urban pioneer,staking his claim to this truly magnificently unique neighborhood. It seems as tho the National Trust is trying to resurrect that type of environment. An environment of resistance to investment and gentrification. I hope I am wrong.. There are so many good things happening now. I would hate to see all that momentum lost. I am not advocating that 3CDC get a carte blanche pass to do as they please.By all means let us hold their feet to the fire. In fact,most signs point to them as being very respectful of the needs of the neighborhood. Residents needs should be addressed,their voices above most others should be heard.But, NEW LIFE NEW BLOOD is needed. If there is a villain here it is hubris, of the group or the individual thinking they know whats best for OTR.We all have a stake,and a voice in the future of OTR. A future that,for the first time in a long time, is looking very bright indeed. Lets turn back the ravages of time and neglect and reclaim what is perhaps the greatest asset of THE QUEEN CITY. And not let others, however well intentioned, move us off of our goal.