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Completely agree. Also, Tomlin had a magical year except for August. Hope his head is straight for next year and age doesn't creep up on him. Brilliant pick ups in getting Coco and Miller. Made all the right moves, so impressed with the Indians front office. As strange it is let's hope the blueprint of the Cubs works for the Browns and we see the same results in half a decade. Cubs were pretty horrific not so long ago when Epstein took over.

I think in the next decade or two you'll see Columbus just blow Cleveland out of the water in terms of air travel destinations. They already have Emirates cargo service. They have a great argument to interested carriers in how they service their airports not to mention the fast growing economy down there.

I agree but I'm just showing the deadlines Stark set. So actually he is underestimating the incredible complexity and fluidity of this large project. If you've run any business you know there's a specific reason for a deadline that goes public. That deadline may not be met but it's not there for filler or to shut a reporter up. It's there to tell someone something and that message may not be for just the general public. So to say that a deadline doesn't matter in the development business would run counter to almost every other industry in the country. I don't buy it. I'll agree to disagree.

Dougal was saying there was rumor that WOW! was looking at Cleveland that's how the discussion got started. I can tell you first hand Lufthansa/United has zero interest in starting CLE-Frankfurt. There are a lot of obvious reasons I won't repeat on here. It's an endless rumor on Flyertalk/Airliners etc. but it hasn't had legs because it's not real. I agree on your thoughts of O&D to fill a WOW! A321 but it's a smaller plane, it's low-cost Euro flying in a region that has very little and by flying to Iceland it's a one-stop to all the main Euro hubs. If Cleveland is going to get back into the international game waiting for Lufthansa or British is going to be a very long play. I can tell you with certainty that none of the Euro legacy carriers are interested in Cleveland right now. So maybe something unconventional like WOW! will do the trick so at least legacy carriers can see what the Cleveland market can do. That being said I have my doubts that Cleveland is talking to any international airline at this point. Sadly, the people running the place seem very content with the service there now. Concourse D conversion to an FIS facility is pipe-dream. Cleveland has no plans to move the current facility over there. There are several AA stations that aren't hubs in which the airline operates six gates or more but doesn't have transatlantic service. I also know British isn't interested in Cleveland. I believe much like IKEA chose Columbus over Cleveland, British will do the same unless someone within Hopkins actually meets with the folks from London. Even then Cleveland is way, way behind in the BA marketing game. It is what it is.

Right. This is what I was thinking too. If developers have no timelines how do retailers and tenants plan for their future? Why announce any dates then? What's the purpose if they're not real anyway?

UO Forumer Smith attended a nuCLEus presentation last spring with an updated timeframe. Again looks like this isn't going to happen either unless there's some quick action soon. Wonder what the new timeframe is? Anyone know?

Stark always is ambitious and talks a good game. Let's hope he can deliver. There should be no problem with people having doubts on here. Be great if he could get something built that wasn't in an exurb.

A quick rate? It's slower than what Stark planned initially. From the late 2014 PD article that started this thread: Construction might begin in March (2015). Stark acknowledged that there will be a stretch, ideally as little as six months, when parking options in the Gateway District will be reduced by several hundred spaces. But the first phase of the project will more than replace that lost parking, he said. "Our intention is to open up a portion of this development, probably most of the parking part of it, before the Republican National Convention," Stark said, "and then open the rest of it up in late 2016 or the spring of 2017."

Muni was great on opening day because you'd get 70K to come out. The rest of the season, not so much. I went to damn near every Tribe home game in '86 and I remember when we used to use the open seats in the upper deck to "write" stupid things like GO BROWNS. It was too large and really had no weird quirks like Fenway or ye old Tiger/Comiskey that made them more intimate. It needed to be half full just to make any type of decent crowd noise. It was way, way too large for a team that spent three decades fighting to get out of the basement of the old AL East. The only great thing of the era was you got to meet many of the players. Got to bs with Cory Snyder, Joe Carter, Phil Niekro, Mel Hall, etc. and we used pay $3 and sit in the left field upper deck. No way you could have that kind of access to players in any park today even if you paid $300 for a ticket and were sitting behind home plate. Even though you could sit closer in the upper deck wasn't the field further away because of the oval "track and field" design of Muni? It sure feels like it when I think of the times I go to Progressive and compare. Awesome for football. Maybe the best stadium in the NFL for quite awhile. Between the weather and the noise, there was nothing like it.

I'm actually not worried about the loss. -- Arrieta is their #2 and some would argue their ace. Bauer is a #5 at best. -- Indians had an uncharacteristic two error game and played about as sloppy as your can get. -- Middle relief had about as bad a game as you can have. -- Cubs again stranded tons and tons of players on base. Despite all this the Indians had the game in reach the entire time. Cubs should have won that game by 10, maybe more. The Dodgers or Giants would have let that game get out of control. The run differential for this series is still Indians +2. I know what Kyle can do at Wrigley but Tomlin is not mince-meat either. Tomlin's season ERA is very deceptive. Let's hope they can turn the tide on Friday.

Anyone who thinks Progressive is dated and ugly sure didn't spend time in the upper deck of old Muni when 5,000 people would attend. Muni was about the worst place for baseball anywhere. Progressive is a great facility.

Where in Seven Hills is there a dense residential area? Or are they extending "one side" all the way past Broadview into Parma? Please, please no more retail. Midtown Plaza struggles to keep tenants.

If the FIS could be upgraded, I think Frankfurt could have shot on a low cost Condor 757 because of the connections available on the Euro end. That's why it would be great for Hopkins to snag WOW. If it worked it would show the other Atlantic crossing carriers at least an inkling of what Cleveland could do with Euro traffic post-hub even if it's on ultra-low cost traffic. Maybe wake up the Hopkins folks to modernize the FIS.

Yeah..that would have been another point. Budapest isn't really a Euro connection hub. CLE-Budapest would be traffic strictly between the two markets. It's why there's so few flights to there from North America. You need a large dynamic market to feed it and a large hub on the North American end to capture other markets. WOW could work because even though Cleveland-Iceland direct traffic is clearly very small they offer connections through Iceland to many spots to Europe at a very low cost on a much smaller aircraft and only add a few hours than flying direct. It's not really Cleveland-Iceland, it's Cleveland-Europe.

1.) Right now and off the top of my head, I'm not even sure there is any non-stop service from North America to Budapest. If there is service I'd bet it's JFK, Chicago and Toronto only and some of those flights might be seasonal. 2.) Nashville has a Japanese Consulate General and Houston has a Greek Consulate General and their odds of landing a non-stop to Tokyo and Athens are nil. 3.) Not beat the dead horse again but CLE-Budapest would require widebody (2 aisle) aircraft service. Too many pax for the CLE customs facility that is an ongoing disaster and the major airlines know it. 4.) There's the additional issue of getting cargo to fill the belly of a widebody. Where will the cargo come from? I could go and on and on but these reasons are enough.

I agree but I see I did upthread as well. It's just soooooo easy to type CLE!

Emirates with a 77L or 77W? No way. Hopkins can't handle that type of aircraft. I know technically it could but I'm sure the folks at Emirates will see the limitations of Hopkins right off the bat. They'll fly to Detroit before any of the other cities you mentioned. BTW, are we back to using three letter codes for airports? I thought that was a no-no or is everyone over that now?

It's a forum to talk baseball. The post game coverage was bad. I don't think it's out of bounds to talk about it or anyone is "freaking out". It was an exceptionally weird broadcast considering the positive vibes Cleveland gets from TNT.

It wasn't just Matthew that created the devastation in NC/SC. Those areas we're already very wet for the year before the storm. There was no run-off period so once it started raining it immediately starting pooling everywhere. That's why the NHC needs to continue to work for greater accuracy. Amazing in DC just a few hundred miles to north of the major flood zones we only received about .5" inches of rain from the whole event. So precip is still a little below average for the year and month here. The final untold story of Matthew is Nova Scotia. The forecast continued to be wrong, Matthew didn't loop back to the Bahamas but was embedded in a cold front causing the main crux of wind and moisture to race north into Canada instead of south causing flooding and damage with absolutely no warning for the people living there. There were major forecast failures, worst I've seen in quite a while. Definitely needs to be examined by the NHC to see what was done wrong. http://www.timescolonist.com/news/world/nova-scotia-premier-taken-aback-by-storm-damage-i-couldn-t-believe-my-eyes-1.2363141 Pretty amazing how much damage there was up there and no warning at all!

Meh...Sox fans are overrated. I don't know how old you are but they were a great base prior to winning a title. Then Boston teams became trendy. Many Sox fans I meet have only a cursory knowledge of baseball. I have nothing against Boston, though. Celtics fans may be 1000 times more obnoxious than Sox fans but every one I have met knows basketball inside and out. Total respect there.

Red Sox fans are actually angry with TBS too for showing the Indians celebrating on the field instead of focusing on Big Papi's departure which was happening at the same time. Poor babies. They treat the national networks like they are local channels. Must be nice.

Pedro acted like a particular ss[/member] last night as well towards the Indians. Cleveland is way over the 1999 ALCS but you'd never know it according to the way he behaved in that studio. On and on about snowing in Cleveland as well. It's colder in Boston almost all the time, look at last night! There is a lot of anger in that studio. Boston and Texas would bring better TV ratings and it makes those folks bitter. Little do they know that a Cubs-Indians "cursed" WS would probably bring mondo ratings by MLB standards. But then again, it won't be on TBS. It's amazing the difference in city coverage between TNT with the Cavs and the TBS garbage last night.

WOW would actually be prefect for Cleveland. I believe they're using A321s on many routes so it wouldn't an aircraft that the tiny CLE customs facility couldn't handle. If the flight can work you'd hope maybe Icelandair, Condor or Norwegian may take look at the area as well. Without addressing the customs facility, I still find it hard to see a legacy carrier coming in with a bigger aircraft like the 787.

Looking at the much smaller markets they're entering now, it's hard to believe they want to put a store in the Cleveland area for whatever reason. I can't believe it takes 20+ years to find a spot for what is simply another big-box store.

It's not just Florida. A fair amount of people in the Mid Atlantic didn't heed the warning about Post Tropical Storm Hermine on Labor Day and were rewarded with half decent weather and just some rough surf at the Deleware/Maryland beaches. More than a few people won't heed the NHC forecast next time. Simple truth is forecasting just has to get better. The more "false alarms" there are the bigger group of dumb@sses you'll get when there is a correct forecast of a landfall of Cat 4/5 storm. Even forecasting storms that aren't hitting the coast have gone awry. Hurricane Nicole initially had a very low chance of becoming tropical, then it was forecast to be a weak Tropical Storm, now it's a Cat 2!