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Not in the 1990s. Although it was a shadow of the growth prior to 1960.

The PD posts negative pieces with no real analysis. No argument there. It's just that there never is any real analysis anywhere about market issues. It's either CSU or DCA trying to pump Cleveland up or the PD trying to tear Cleveland down. It would be nice to read something looking at why Cleveland continues to struggle why most areas aren't without the usual slant. I guess that is hard to do.

I'm surprised Crain's is posting this puff piece. Downtown transformation is great but it's clearly not having an effect on the region as a whole. It would be nice for Crain's or anyone to do an article on why Greater Cleveland's labor market and population continues to shrink while most other regions have recovered from the Great Recession.

Not to go off-topic but with the sale of Tower City what properties does Forest City still own in the Cleveland area?

This is a perfect assessment of Frontier and Spirit!

I second this. I'd also add that he is very emotionally mature. He's a great choice. He's also city council's first Millennial member and, to my knowledge, first openly gay member. Fun Cleveland City Council Facts: 14 councilmen, 3 councilwomen. 1 Millennial councilperson. To become fully representative of Cleveland's voting age population, the city needs 4.67 Millennial members younger than 35 to replace current office holders. It needs 6 councilwomen to replace men currently in office. Additionally, the population is underrepresented by one African American and two additional persons of color or Hispanic ethnicity. There are so many white male Democrats in City Hall . . . Millennials makeup 1/3 of Cleveland's voting-age population according to 2014 ACS data. Is this 4.67 gap in Millennial representatives something we should accept? Or are there opportunities for change? Dividing by skin color and age cohorts are great and all but Cleveland should have leaders that recognize that the city needs jobs and economic growth. Right now, I don't think the Council cares about that. Out of the top 30 metros, Cleveland's job growth rate is 29th according to BLS stats. Looking at the recent actions of Councilpeople, I don't think that stat is going to change anytime soon. There are many, many other places where businesses can start and expand without the Cleveland BS. Agreed. Would an at-large council be more likely to focus on the economic and development issues facing the whole city? Would a mix of ward and at-large council be a good compromise between residents' desires for direct representation and the need for representatives who would look out for the city as a whole? I totally agree with the at-large idea and I know it's been mentioned before. Also, the council is still too large. DC has almost twice the population of Cleveland now and it has half the council members. The problem is many of the people with power in Cleveland would rather have the city wither away to nothing than be open to that type of change.

With American's move, it's time to expand the FIS in Concourse A, IMHO. It needs to get done.

I second this. I'd also add that he is very emotionally mature. He's a great choice. He's also city council's first Millennial member and, to my knowledge, first openly gay member. Fun Cleveland City Council Facts: 14 councilmen, 3 councilwomen. 1 Millennial councilperson. To become fully representative of Cleveland's voting age population, the city needs 4.67 Millennial members younger than 35 to replace current office holders. It needs 6 councilwomen to replace men currently in office. Additionally, the population is underrepresented by one African American and two additional persons of color or Hispanic ethnicity. There are so many white male Democrats in City Hall . . . Millennials makeup 1/3 of Cleveland's voting-age population according to 2014 ACS data. Is this 4.67 gap in Millennial representatives something we should accept? Or are there opportunities for change? Dividing by skin color and age cohorts are great and all but Cleveland should have leaders that recognize that the city needs jobs and economic growth. Right now, I don't think the Council cares about that. Out of the top 30 metros, Cleveland's job growth rate is 29th according to BLS stats. Looking at the recent actions of Councilpeople, I don't think that stat is going to change anytime soon. There are many, many other places where businesses can start and expand without the Cleveland BS.

Despite the optimism of a ''medical mart'' and Cleveland's growing role in healthcare, the city still struggles with a bad national reputation nationally. This is changing, however, but the city and region need job and population growth to really turn itself around. The census numbers come out to the public on Thursday so we'll have to wait and see 8-) I hope I'm wrong, but looking at labor market numbers from the BLS, I think population loss sped up a bit last year for the metro.

I have a crazy idea about an open council seat. Something called an election.

This is not a Pitt vs. Cle. thing to me. It's just funny how one region is perceived and how their economies actually perform. Pitt has no job growth and a flat labor market while the nation expands around 2%, it's still fading away too, although their leaders are doing more to fix their problems than those in NE Ohio IMHO. Cleveland leaders hide behind CSU studies which show the area has the largest population growth of Master-degree Millennials that are from Indiana and Nebraska who like Bernie Sanders but hate Burger King. Whooo-hoooo! Not really. Also, Cleveland doesn't have a comeback story outside of Downtown, UC, and the near West Side neighborhoods. I really want it too have one but it's not there yet. When Cleveland can go a year beating the national job growth average, I'll say it's on it's way. I don't think the area has done that since the mid-1960s. I agree with you and was trying to make the point that I think both cities economies are actually in a more similar place than recent media articles on each would lead people to believe, which is your point as to how each is perceived. Yeah, I know. Sorry, I keep amending the post, I dropped your quote.

This is not a Pitt vs. Cle. thing to me. It's just funny how one region is perceived and how their economies actually perform. Pitt has no job growth and a flat labor market while the nation expands around 2%, it's still fading away too, although their leaders are doing more to fix their problems than those in NE Ohio IMHO. Cleveland leaders hide behind CSU studies which show the area has the largest population growth of Master-degree Millennials that are from Indiana and Nebraska who like Bernie Sanders but hate Burger King. Whooo-hoooo! Not really. Also, Cleveland doesn't have a comeback story outside of Downtown, UC, and the near West Side neighborhoods. I really want it too have one but it's not there yet. When Greater Cleveland can go a year beating the national job growth average, I'll say it's on it's way. I don't think the area has done that since the mid-1960s.

Yet that downtown vitality doesn't seem to be helping the region as a whole. It's interesting. Like I said, I think it's oil related. That being said, at least their labor market has been flat since 2007, Cleveland's continues to fade away.

One thing that is significant about this other than the obvious is that 1997 was also the last year the Cleveland MSA added population. More evidence that jobs equals population growth. Maybe we will see a small uptick when the population estimates come out later this month. I hate to be the party pooper on this but those figures have been revised. Growth was much slower, between 0.5%-1.0% for most of the second half of 2015. Also, despite the lowest unemployment rate since the early 2000s, it seems like the labor market has shrunk over the last year after flattening out between 2012-2014, never a good sign for population growth. Manufacturing continues to the hurt the region, shrinking between 0.5-1.2% y-o-y offsetting growth in other areas. Both Trump and Bernie have a point about trade still hurting the Midwest. What was very surprising to me was Pittsburgh. For all the media hype of a post-industrial boom economy in that region, the revised figures show job "growth" was flat or slightly contracting y-o-y over the last six months. Might have been the worst performing economy of the top 30 metros, I didn't check them all. It's even more amazing considering Pittsburgh has a manufacturing market that is 2/3rds the size of Cleveland's. Must be the oil industry. I'm kinda tired of the rah-rah pieces of an economy that clearly hasn't recovered. Cleveland leaders need to take a hard look in the mirror like Pittsburgh did in the 80s and come up with a solution to attract employment to the area. Places out west are seeing employment gains of 4-5% now. Cleveland continues to fade away.

I agree with you. There's no point in drafting the QB of the future because the OL will be worthless. It's going to take two or three drafts just get this team back to an ordinary bad level. Maybe that's why they're looking at Kaepernick. Use the journeymen until the team has a real OL. The Browns have never gone 1-15. This might be the season.

Philly ahead of New York? Clearly this is click bait stuff.

Runway wise, no. I wish Cleveland could convert it to hold larger aircraft and then build a direct tunnel from D to the Main Terminal. Never going to happen though.

I think a nice statue of a fist with a middle finger raised would be an appropriate memorial for the relationship between United and Cleveland.

This is awesome. This will be the tallest apartment building built within the city since the Reserve?

I've spent a lot of time in Tokyo and you are right. Most of the new apartment/condo mid to high rises in the US and Canada are designed to be "luxury" housing. Even though they look as impressive as towers being built in the Far East they house a lot less people. The density in a place like Tokyo compares to New York but there's nothing in Europe or the rest of North America that has a super dense feel. That being said, poor urban cities, places like Cairo, Dhaka and Manila make Tokyo and Hong Kong feel like Omaha.

That's not what you are advocating. OK Amrap. Coming from the segregated land of Amrap, you shouldn't throw rocks. 1. I didn't throw any and you are assuming I'm white. I don't equate bus transit with minorities and homeless. 2. Are the mods asleep? If MTS was talking like this (which he never would) this thread would be locked.

That's not what you are advocating.

Downtown Cleveland lacked connectivity and PS was a huge disconnect in the urban flow. Cities are all about walking and connectivity now, this redo of PS will connect to the Mall and surrounding areas. This redesign is long overdue. Cleveland was all about walking and connectivity in the 1920s and 1930s moreso than today. No need to change PS back then.

Why was it unpleasant? What made you uncomfortable about it? I never got that feeling there at all. It was very urban to me. You met people from all over the area, all over the world.

I get the idea it will be pedestrian friendly but a "place to be used in all sorts of ways"? How so? A place to sit and hang out, eat & drink at the cafe, play in the water feature, ice skate, go to a farmer's market, maybe listen to live music or watch a movie on a big screen, etc etc I get the extra amenities added but I loved to sit and hang out day and night at the "old" Public Square back in the 1980s and 1990s. What made you not want to do it previous to the redesign? The "bad" form of Public Square stood for over 200 years. It functioned fine when Cleveland was a far larger city with a more intact urban core. I completely disagree that it was poorly designed in the first place. Sorry I can't see that.