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Of course it would be quite a different poster today....

Here are the posters: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/design/2011/11/cleveland-new-deal-era-public-housing-posters/439/#slide3

One of my former colleagues spent some weeks in Cleveland a few years ago studying the public housing architecture and design etc. there and gave talks on it as well. She said it was the best she had seen, and is certainly some of the best examples anywhere. I will post if I find it. There are some great posters of it from the period as well.

FWIW, the best research on the topic also questions the assumption that Section 8 brings crime to communities, but obviously one study can't disprove anything, and it's likely the affects vary widely depending on housing market conditions. I did read alot of this research as well, and found most of it unfortunately didnt apply to what we looked at in Cuyahoga County.

I'd agree with this position.... although I also agree that somehow, someway Lakeview has got to go. I would sympathize with the residents, but when you are getting subsidized housing, then being forced to relocate is part of the bargain IMO. While spreading the burden out (i.e. what 327 said) is wise, there should be a focused effort to keep it away from the areas that have the most potential to benefit the City/County on a whole which in turn will benefit the poor who need this housing. Not only is this property on land which could be prime for redevelopment.... it hinders the growth of one of our most promising areas. Well its not some new line of thinking. This was the impetus behind HUD Hope VI, and other experimental programs that go back over 20 years that promoted just such a thing. I wrote plenty of papers in support of why this was such a good idea, its just that the results havent worked out too well for Cuyahoga County as resulting factors have set in. Most of the longer term problem is that the people that rely on this has grown so much over the years that spreading out has only resulted in more low income communites in NEOhio, also attributed to much of the resulting, increased flight out to the region. If we are no longer concerned about moving people out of the situations that require them to be in this housing in the first place, then where does it end? Certainly, I agree that They need to get rid of Lakview Terrace though.

True. I guess the "being closer to the center of employment and mass transit" are only marginal arguments at this point.

I used to think this way, but not anymore. Not when you consider the impact that this has had in the inner ring as well as Cleveland neighborhoods where forclosure properties have been bought up and rented as section 8 (this has happened where previous owners of homes either had to lose their shirts or chose to rent section 8. After following this for some time and seeing the impact it has had on neighborhoods I can no longer say that Im for it. It doesnt matter if you agree or not, once you have some section 8, it typically always leads to more, and eventually just throws the whole neighborhood off balance and down it goes.

In Crains: Halle Building could enter downtown apartment mix Office space on upper floors would be replaced by up to 200 rental units under nascent plan By STAN BULLARD 4:30 am, July 16, 2012 The Halle Building in downtown Cleveland, well-known thanks to “The Drew Carey Show” and a celebrated role as the former home of Mr. Jingeling, may become apartments under a plan Forest City Enterprises Inc. is considering. ....Forest City is weighing converting part or most of the structure in the PlayhouseSquare neighborhood to more than 200 apartments and retaining its first floor as retail space, according to a source who declined to be identified because he is not authorized to discuss the plan. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20120716/SUB1/307169992

Birch or 'Betula "wavy tree"'. Im hoping they are not removing all of them.

Well the next time it will be approved. They just keep putting it on there and letting it further deteriorate. Initially it was unanimous to not allow it, now it was nearly an even split due to the increased level of deterioration. Unless they find a use for it in the next few months it will be a goner the next time that they put on for demolition.

Hmm I think a number of us were predicting such a move by Gilbert and Forest City. So it seems at this point anything goes!

Makes you wonder. Clearly they are willing to invest some $$$ in the place (considering their history and the bargain price they bought at), and yes the intent is to add apartments, but would they really turn the retail space 's in to rooms or apartments as well? I was really hoping they would come up with a concept to attract more retailers to the retail area.

Well they also had this in Landmarks... Not really even sure what it means. Says for "renovation and mothballing?" Also, Steves lunch will be going through storefront renovation. Ohio City Historic District St. Ignatius High School Wrestling Center / Alumni Center Foursquare Church - 1944 West 32nd Street Calvin Hall (Gibbons Hall) - 1950 West 32nd Street Foursquare Church Rectory - 1946 West 32nd Street House and Garage - 3215 Carroll Avenue Renovation and mothballing http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/07122012/index.php

I'm guessing this wont bode well for for the future of the west side of W. 25th. And people were mentioning the sea of parking lots that are already serving to disconnect things. I think its everything up to the woodworks bldg. On Landmarks: Ohio City Historic District Lutheran Medical Center 2594 and 2617 Aust Avenue 1538 and 1544 West 25th Street Demolition and parking lot expansion http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/07122012/index.php

LOVE these! Great eye Clueless..

We had been talking about Spice in Detroit Shoreway in the DT thread since they will be going through storefront renovation. Here's a nice writeup on the food which sounds awesome. I have yet to get the opportunity to try "ramps", the foody treat that is only around a couple of weeks. It seems the "sophisticated" :roll: foodies in the DC area have never even heard of them. At Spice Kitchen in Cleveland's Gordon Square, fall in love with flavors -- but on your next visit, be prepared to find something newPublished: Friday, July 06, 2012, 3:23 PM Updated: Friday, July 06, 2012, 3:40 PM Bebenroth pulls from a sustainable mix of custom-planted farm fields, restaurant rooftop container garden, a large plot behind the chef's Broadview Heights home and a multitude of local purveyors. "Don't buy food from strangers" is a Spice world mantra. Bebenroth, and Spice executive chef, Brandon Walukas, embrace the ethos of using what's there when it's there, and then moving on. You can't always get what you want, or at least what you thought you wanted. But if you try giving in to the transitory nature of . . .well, nature and the kitchen craft at Spice, you just might find you'll get something even better. http://www.cleveland.com/top-restaurants/index.ssf/2012/07/at_spice_kitchen_in_clevelands_gordon_square_fall_in_love_with_flavors_--_but_on_your_next_visit_be.html

Yes saw that earlier. Thats just infuriating. Can there not be nice communities without this B-Sh#% in NEOhio? Also Clevelander17, I saw where there have been more armed robberies at Coventry and Mayfiled and I think I finally understand your frustration with the Cleveland Heights police and their odd priorities.

JeTDog, dont you work for RTA?

The "creep"? I do data analysis all day (for work) on these kinds of things and we often use the term "creep" to indicate the movement of factors that ulitmately causes a neighborhood to decline and ultimately empty out. It can actually be seen as a line of movement from year to year. Although the term wouldnt automatically have to be used to indicate decline, there are just not enough, or substantial enough examples in North East Ohio to use the term in a positive sense. I hope that someday that will not be the case. Doing this and seeing this over the years is why Im such a stickler for maintaining a high standard of living (and certainly a safe environment) in the few remaining stable areas of the city (and inner suburbs), but that hasnt been working out very well, therefore the movement continues and at a rather rapid pace on the west side.

I just think thats theres going to be quite a bit more bleeding to come on the west side as the "creep" continues to move west" as it has and continues to do in the east suburbs. As was mentioned in another thread will make some of the projects mentioned seem like a drop in the bucket...

Thanks Mayday, these are all the things we were hoping to be back for to take part in, but it wont be much longer. Thanks for the greast pics, we feel like we wre there after all.

Indeed they run their succesful catering business out of there. I know the main guy there has quite the fan base as well, but I havent heard much about the restaurant thus far or how business is going on that end.

The Spice storfront in Detroit Shoreway will be getting some attention: Gordon Square Historic District 5800 Detroit Avenue Storefront renovation for Spice Kitchen and Bar Ward 15 - Zone http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2012/06282012/index.php

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26665.120.html McCleve, I knew it was you. Well yeah the posts folowing were mentioning the odditiy of coming back to the same spot, so thought if true may have been subleased, since at that point it had become so out of place.