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Conrats Joe on the event and the write-up in Freshwater, I hope the turnout is great and it becomes a regular thing. A couple of good lines from the article: "It's also my hope that people will come away from the crawl envisioning life living in Cleveland proper. Walking, riding a bike or taking public transit to work, being part of the ongoing revitalization and knowing your fellow Clevelanders instead of going from boxed house to box car to office, back home to fall asleep and repeat." "Meanwhile, I'm laughing to myself," he adds, "because I fought like hell to get out of the suburbs!" neighborhood crawl intended to highlight cle public transport system Thursday, August 18, 2011 http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/inthenews/rtapubcrawl081811.aspx

Someone brought that up earlier in the thread. But it was also said that the crane will probably be a good 30 to 50 feet taller than the actual building height. With that said the final height will probably be in the 330 to 350 range. Im pretty sure thats what Firenze98 is already saying.

Wow.... I cant wait till fall 2012!

Yes, thats all been covered here already.

Sounds like there already may be some good news coming out of the Keybank Center auction. Jobs coming in from the suburbs would be great, but jobs coming from outside the region would really be something to cheer about, and something we need to see more of if the region is going to mover forward. In this week's Crains: NYC group wins bid for KeyBank Center And it may bring 200 more jobs to office site By STAN BULLARD 4:30 am, August 15, 2011 The embattled, 23-story KeyBank Center in downtown Cleveland not only is about to get a new owner, but it also stands to gain a new tenant that could bring more than 200 jobs from the suburbs. Two of the sources said relocating AmTrust Financial jobs to Cleveland from outside the region also could be in the mix. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110815/SUB1/110819927/1004/rss01&rssfeed=rss01

They are doing the last round of Edy's "Community Grows" orchards for August. Cudell was one of the winning 5 for last month and there are several Cleveland area neighborhoods in the running again this month, including the Cleveland Botanical Garden. You can vote everyday until the end of the month! http://www.communitiestakeroot.com/?Brand=0&utm_source=Edys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FruitBars_MidSummer_2011

Im not so sure. Typically places around DC dont give huge incentives since they ususally dont have to. Again, Im guessing by these 2 selections, that area costs and cost of living didnt play into it anyway, and those are really Ohio's strengths. Kasich has been pretty generous to big companies. I dont see why this would have been any different.

I cant imagine a company like Sears not being concerned about what it costs to be in an area. Since I live in the region, even if they were on a metro line the cost of housing anywhere here is much more than any of the places that were being cosidered (which likely means you need to pay your employees more), and at no point have I thought it was a great quality of life here.

I just dont get this... Why would they narrow it to 2 rather expensive locations? Both places have a very high cost of living, and have major traffic issues in both the city and the suburbs. I guess they provided the biggest incentives..?

I think he's saying that given the surrounding level of density (lack of) that it fits in well.

Thats realy great news about Rozi's. That storefront always bugged me and wasa crying for a storefront renovation! Although what would the sidewalk seating be for? Will they be serving wine as well? That stretch has changed so much the past few years (for the better), with more on the way. Wish I could say the same for farther down Detroit.

I think the wait is definitely less at the Cleveland Heights one... Its been bearable each time I've been there. Yeah usually still about 45 minutes though (on a Saturday), but that's good time to try beers at the much bigger bar area. I cant say that the food comes out any faster though, and had I not been in with a group enjoying beer, I don't know that I would do it)... I wont wait at the Lakewood one since its just more cramped and always takes longer (plus Deagans is right there)

That would certainly be ideal.... The following indicates that they became a fan of the concept in Europe and wanted to replicate it somewhat in Cleveland... So not likely the chain. According to Axinei, owner Attila Salka, a well-traveled hospitality pro, first became a fan of the English-style concept in Europe. "It is a concept he knows and likes, and didn't see here in Cleveland," she says. "We chose that space because downtown is where everything is happening."

I thought there was a place called "Prime Rib" somewhere and wondered the same thing, but from the story it doesn't sound like it (or doesn't mention it anyway)...

Here's some more info on the place going in where House of Cues was: Slated to open in early September in the former House of Cues at West Ninth Street and Superior Avenue, Prime Rib Steakhouse will specialize in prime rib carved tableside. Billed as a "destination restaurant," Prime Rib will serve only U.S.D.A. Prime beef, which is roasted and wheeled to the table on custom stainless steel carts. There, it is carved and served with mashed potatoes, gravy, Yorkshire pudding, horseradish sauce, and jus. Meals begin with a "spinning-bowl salad," another tableside flourish that involves, naturally, a spinning bowl and salad. With 200 seats and prices that range from $29 to a hefty $45 (including salad and sides), Prime Rib will be competing with other large-scale destination-type restaurants such as Brasa Grill and Morton's. Diners can look forward to a wholly reworked space, with new booths, banquettes, bar, and bathrooms. http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/high-steaks/Content?oid=2703740

Cut your loses and sell to K&D. Or put out a new RFP. I would really like to see some other proposals from other developers.

Damnit with these wide screens

Yeah I guess my post could have been construed various ways... I just meant that they have an uphill battle and a schedule to keep, and I that I havent seen where they have made the required moves for this, which I'm maybe at least wanting to view as good news...?

Neither have I. Im just saying there are many steps they would have to go through for this "bridge" to be allowed to be built, none of which to my knowledge they have proceeded with. The planning Commissions approval means little in regard to this process.

Well, last I knew it would have been an uphill battle, and they hadnt made any real moves yet to initiate the process. I havent seen anything recently either way though.

Overhead walkway as of now isnt happening, unless you kknow something?

I question this as well. It seems that when there is a murder on the west side, people say "that just didn't used to happen over here", but I seem to recall these types of crimes happening on the west side 15 years ago, so I'm wondering if it's just perception. It pretty much goes without saying that when inner-city neighborhoods go from the stable factory worker neighborhoods of the 50's and 60's to the mass exodus and finally dying off off its semi-original home owners to a high transitional/low ownership level/high unemployment/economically disadvantaged and increasingly diverse neighborhood that there is going to be a corresponding increase in crime. There are probably thousands of studies that back this up.. Many done on Cleveland neighborhoods. Its strange to me when people that have lived there don't recognize some of the changes that I can so clearly see when back on visits and exploring neighborhoods that I used to study... The difference is usually pretty blatant to me. Others in my "Cleveland Club" in DC always make the same observations, as do people that have moved farther out that don't see things on a daily basis. I think when it comes to the crime increases, the type of crime and when the neighborhood declined usually goes hand in hand. For example (and the good news), is that places like Tremont, Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway have actually seen slight declines in violent crime from 2000 - 2010, where pretty much every other west side neighborhood has seen increases (the ones that were most recently still stable), like Clark Fulton, Brooklyn Center and Cudell. In fact Clark Fulton's violent crime rate has gone up nearly 40% during the 2000-2010 period. All west side neighborhoods had increases in non violent crimes (such as robberies) during this period, which doesn't surprise me at all. Some more than others. I guess a key point is that it has dispersed greatly in the last 10-20 years. So crimes you were seeing in Cudell 10 years ago, you are seeing in Edgewater and even Lakewood now (this has been blamed on a dispersment of drug culture/activity as well as the general change in socio-economic and racial structure that has permeated the west side. There are many resources for looking at such information. Neighborhood Link (NHLink) from Cleveland State has many options and then there's NEO-CANDO from Case (good for doing quik searches and neighborhood comparisons. Also, keep in mind that neighborhoods that turn into crime hotspots, turn into a way of life for those that live in them (or the norm in a sense), so it does matter how those outside of them see them, since it typically takes the individuals with means, the ones that have already left for greener pastures, to come in to patronize and support efforts to rejuvenate.... Thus, as MTS says what about the people in them.... I'm pretty sure they are aware of (and used to) the crime that is going on around them, likely thats part of the problem.

Also, crimes like this have been becoming much more commonplace for the west side as of late.. and we all know how suburbanites generalize locations within the city. Reality is, these neighborhoods don't have a chance of coming back, or in most cases will further slide, if people from outside the city are unwilling to come in (for a visit let alone consider ever moving back (due to the senseless crimes that have been happening)), and those that are still there are going to continue to move out (sometimes bringing those problems with them). I just know that many of the neighborhoods on the west side that were "more stable" when I left Cleve., have become somewhat unlivable now. There are very few exceptions.

Gotta love the diversity of Ohio City! :-o (or not)

I agree.. I liked the idea of a trendy hotel (w style)w/condos/apartments in there so that the rotunda could be appreciated by many. I also wish that somebody other than K&D was proposing something. As has been discussed before, I'm not always confident in K&D's treatment of such spaces that have so much potential. We really need another game in town.....