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Well the cleveland project wont have gearboxes, so that should alleviate that problem.

According to this Scene magazine story about Zinc from May 19th, Zinc is supposed to open this week sometime. Also I didnt realize this was at Public Square :|? Bites: Zinc Debut at Public Square And more local food news by Douglas Trattner Making its debut next week, Zinc Bistro, Bar and Bakery (668 Euclid Ave., 216-583-9462, zinccleveland.com) is the most ambitious opening between Public Square and the PlayhouseSquare in a long time. http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/bites/Content?oid=1913168

Some changes on W. 9th. From Scene: W. 9th Getting a Mini Makeover Posted by Vince Grzegorek on Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:16 PM The stretch of W. 9th street between St. Clair and Superior — a block barren of entertainment, at least compared to W. 6th and E. 4th, except for Mallorca — will see the addition of two new dining/clubbing options soon. http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2010/05/24/w-9th-getting-a-mini-makeover

Well, well... As Tedolph said earlier (and I really felt after reading this), "He is (was) out of his league". Mayor Frank Jackson kills Sunpu-Opto deal, says city will start over again to find LED light supplier By Mark Gillispie, The Plain Dealer May 24, 2010, 10:19PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson on Monday killed a controversial, no-bid contract with a Chinese LED manufacturer because he thinks he "tainted" the process when he announced the deal in March while his staff was still seeking responses from other companies. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/mayor_frank_jackson_kills_sunp.html

I believe it was razed last week shortly after the fire. There was a video on Cleveland.com showing them taking down the walls.

Allright which one of you wrote this in response: "Jim when is the last time you've been downtown and actually walked around? Why are people, who never come into the city, quick to make assumptions. Get out of your boring @ss suburb and see all the nice things the city has to offer."

Yeah that would be about the only option for expansion with this plan, which I think should be considered in the current plan (area for future expansion). I guess when/if they someday tear down the Admin. buildings for a convention hotel, they can do another section to the convention center as part of that project, if the underground loading docks etc don't pose too much of a problem. Also,I hope that they will be able to incorporate more use for Public Hall for some of the events that would take place. We are still not clear about the connection/disconnection and how that will play out. As for the actual MM building, we only have some rough off the shelf sketches of.... But likely with the limited amount of funding to do many things, it wont be too impressive, but we shall see.

Funny Nashville always seems to make an announcement when we do (they dont want to look like they are not progressing.... more....) Yeah the new CC would only have about a third of the open/exhibit space as the IX, but the IX is huge. I just hope it will be big enough to take back some shows that are currently at the IX center.

Those are underground along the western edge I believe.

Well there is usually a number that represents the open, exhibit space, and I think that is what the 300,000+ number was (which is small by industry standards). But the number really jumps when including the meeting rooms, ball rooms etc. Meeting rooms typically dont contribute to exhibit space numbers.

I dont know about addition. It looks like the Mall C part takes away quite a bit as well (it looks to me that the addtion under MM is smaller than the current CC area that will become meeting rooms and ball room). On the diagram showing 860,000 sq ft, it looks like it covers the entire area, but when you look at the actual exhibit space it only takes up a small portion of that (looks like less than half) Also, I wonder what kind of challenges it poses having the meeting rooms and ball room so seperate from the actual MM?

More on the CC plans (some interesting alternatives). I was worried about the disconnection of public Hall from the convention center (since I think it would be an asset for certain convention center events), but plans call for grand staircases leading to Public Hall as well as just making Mall C ball rooms and meeting rooms (thus not requiring any drastic raising of the surface). Now if it will end up with an exhibit hall large enough to be competitive, or space for future expansion if necessary (the mall C alternative would likely rule out chances of expanding over the tracks).... Early medical mart and convention center plans preserve lake view By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer May 20, 2010, 11:00AM The drawings are dry and abstract, the details skimpy. But architects working for MMPI Inc. of Chicago, developer of the proposed medical mart and new convention center in downtown Cleveland, are clearly thinking outside the rectangle. The designers have come up with an unexpected L-shaped configuration for the convention center, which has the highly desirable effect of preserving a century-old view of Lake Erie looking north from Lakeside Avenue. http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/05/post.html

Here ya go: Cuyahoga County commissioners announce the final property deal for a proposed med mart By Laura Johnston, The Plain Dealer May 20, 2010, 10:34AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cuyahoga County this morning announced a $3.1 million option to buy Sportsman's Restaurant, the last piece of property needed to build a medical mart on the northwest corner of St. Clair Avenue and Ontario Street. http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/05/cuyahoga_county_commissioners_announce_finral_property_deal_for_proposed_med_mart.html

R@R, your definately correct about Edgewater, and yes it has a reputation for that. Im sure not everyone (hopefully) would notice though, although I think its pretty obvious, but then.......

I see what 327 is saying but I agree that the CDC's play a role that on the city level could not be accomplished. I know in DC they do not have the CDC's like Cleveland (at least anything with any power to do anything), and the neighborhood really doesn't have much of a say in anything. Ideally there would be a coordinated approach, a larger city plan, coordinated with the neighborhood development corporation. But sometimes Cleveland seems to lack that larger approach with the many fiefdoms. Theres no doubt that DSCDO has done some great things, and often against the odds, but I have also seen many instances how (because they are so community based), they have held progress up or resisted development efforts for fears of such things as gentrification and such... but I really think that should be the last of the concerns. Also, with such power and emphasis put on these CDC's there are several that have been mis-managed and poorly run, with little correction from the city. So there can certainly be some positives and negatives.

Everyone in DC was sending this to each other today. Another rumor, but would possibly explain Lebron seeming absent during those games. "One email making the rounds claimed that LeBron James' mom (PICTURES) and Cavs teammate Delonte West were involved in a scandalous affair that destroyed the team's ability to play together." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/lebron-james-mom-delonte_n_579877.html

The word "ain't" is a contraction for "I am not". Hence, to say "I ain't going to work today" is prefectly gramatical perfectly grammatical. Well maybe it is and maybe it aint :wink: (although it doesn't sound very professional), but I was more talking about the "well things are what they are" lackadaisical attitude that is so.. umm.. endearing about Jackson

This second story is an amusing commentary from Mr. Larkin, and sums up the mayor pretty well, although I don’t necessarily agree to the degree of Eaton blame. (note the classic Jackson line (but whataya gonna do.....)) Mayor Jackson's critics fear city being LED astray in Chinese light bulb deal: Brent Larkin By Brent Larkin May 09, 2010, 5:05AM CLEVELAND, Ohio — Mayor Frank Jackson knows critics and friends alike want him to think big, be bold. And in proposing to hand a Chinese company what amounts to a 10-year monopoly on selling the city millions of dollars in LED lights, the mayor insists that "is exactly what I'm doing." Far less certain is whether he's being smart. Defending that deal, Jackson said last week, "I may be wrong, but it ain't because I've been trying to be wrong." This time, that's not good enough. http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/05/mayor_jacksons_critics_fear_ci.html

Below is the story from the other week about the Akron firm. Exactly Oldmanladyluck and Straphanger….. And Tedolph you are correct on all counts. The city so desperately needs a real leader. This will likely come back to bite the Mayor and the city if it moves forward as is. Akron firm says it can provide Cleveland better LED lights, is willing to move to city By Mark Gillispie, The Plain Dealer May 08, 2010, 6:00AM AKRON, Ohio -- An Akron firm thinks the Cleveland City Council needs to hear its pitch before following through on Mayor Frank Jackson's proposal to give a Chinese company exclusive rights to sell the city high-tech lights….. Green Mill Global officials contend that they offer better LED lights than Sunpu-Opto Semiconductor and, like the Chinese company, are willing to build a headquarters and manufacturing plant in the city. Green Mill officials said Friday that they will create 400 jobs within seven years.http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/akron_firm_says_it_can_provide.html

Except there is one, out of Akron. The story was in last Sundays PD. They claimed they would build a plant employing 400, make a better product and should have a chance at the incentives and build a plant here. (maybe they will build one in China instead?)

Im just not familiar with any areas of equally high crime that are white areas, unless you are talking about quickly gentrifing areas such as much of DC.

Jam40Jeff, I realize racism is often the basis for some of the things mentioned, but its not always all about peoples mindsets, prejudices, and preconceptions. Tell that to the Feigenbaum's of Lucy's who believed in the neighborhood and its history, and were victims of an armed robbery, with Marika being shot in the shoulder (she's pictured in this thread) or the store owner (not from the neighborhood) that was known for being generous to the down and out, was shot and killed in a robbery. Lucy's is still there in part due to public outcry and support, but there are certain realities that do help to create the mindsets you are talking about. I know Mr. Feigenbaum was certainly ready to give up on this area and frankly Cleveland (He's seen the direction of things in the last 10 years ((as have I), and helplessly watched as the elected officials sat seemingly in a state of denial). I know I may not have had the strength or patience to stay in a neighborhood like thabt. I was only hoping they would find a better Cleveland location instead of moving out of state like they were talking about.

Thanks OP, I dont know how I missed that. That answers alot of questions! It sounds like it may or may not be temporary. I was wondering about the Bop Stop space. . Bigger and a nice live music venue. I will be trying Verve though next time in town!

Well this was an email from being on their mailing list. It sounds like it is closed and that the entertainment portion moved to Verve (although the wording just makes it sound like it was merely an event) and Im not sure what the Tuesday-Thursday.......... Dear Jazz 28 Member, Please join us this weekend at a new location! We will be closed this Tuesday through Thursday and Will again host our weekend entertainment at VERVE One of Cleveland’s award-winning dining establishments located at 1332 Carnegie Ave. Cleveland Oh 44115 This weekend features: * Friday, May 7th: Jazz Diva Evelyn Wright with David Thomas on keyboard (8 pm-11:30pm) * Saturday, May 8th: Internationally acclaimed Debbie Gifford with John Trczinski on keyboard (8 pm- 11:30) Click here to view the entire May Entertainment Schedule For reservations, directions or more information, click here to visit the VERVE website . You can call now VERVE now for reservations (216) 664-5500, or just stop in and enjoy. Thanks, and hope to see you soon! Marc & Debora Lynn Jazz28 http://jazz28.com

Dont forget the Alcazar in Cleveland Hts. http://www.thealcazar.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=50