willyboy

Well certainly the state of the economy was used to oversell the supposed benefits, which in actuality have been found to be highly exaggerated. But that's what a good salesman does, and that would be Dan Gilbert. There are alot of details that are in the process of being worked out with the actual legislation of operating, that's why you are not hearing much currently, but the intention is actually to open a temporary casino which we had talked about previously, most likely in the bottom of the Higbee building. They only recently narrowed down their search for a casino operator which was publicised. If they get the operating rules in order, and negotiations pan out with Forest City, we should be seeing that.

I got it.. So will it be like this? 70's enough?

Wow information! Thank you Jerry Urbanlife, those are good things to know

"No need to wonder any longer. I can tell you that they do. The last time I checked, RTA employees took 1.2 million rides in one calendar year. The General Manager uses public transit at least 3 times a week, depending on his schedule (he has many breakfast meetings). His normal bus ride comes downtown from the Westlake Park-n-Ride, and he varies that by driving to Triskett and riding the rail downtown. If a bus route is generating a large amounts of complaints, he will drive out in the AM to the point of origin, ride the route downtown, and check it out for himself". Jerry thanks for that input on the RTA employess ridership :?, but are you able to address if there is a fix being worked on for some of the vending/ticketing issues *(Or the repetitive, ridiculous, loud announcement issues) that weve been discussing for several pages now?

Htsguy, again the point being, we’re talking about things that really aren’t about money, they are about (as EC would say) getting the small things right and making better decisions using a set of priority’s that would help with the user experience. Comparing peoples experience on other systems is relevant in the context of/if people that are public transit savvy have a difficult time using Cleveland’s system (and when its a new system (ticket machine or brt), it just makes the agency seem incompetent), what should be expected of people that are unfamiliar with riding transit? (as opposed to lowering your standards because its Cleveland’s system as if we shouldn’t expect more) And when you’re getting people on a board that should be the most transit friendly crowd, repelled such as Cleveland1979 and RnR, then I think it’s important to know that/if RTA is addressing some of these things. I’m still waiting to hear an update on the ticket vending machines, among some of the other complaints, because until I know thats happening, I certainly wont be recommending it like I did previously.

I wasnt embarrased by what they thought, I was embarrased for our transit system. The billions of dollars is irrelevent here (I mean Cleveland is the one with the new ticket machines not DC). The point was that it isnt just an issue for people that are unfamiliar with riding transit systems - as well as - for as many people that have had problems and since it seems at some point there was mention of it being fixed, it seems sensible that it would be dicussed or an update given since these simple issues seem to now be detering people from riding RTA. When we are talking about such an obvious and basic design flaw that has been an issue for so many people. So not comparing it to other systems..... this has been an issue for countless people that has given them a poor impression of Clevelands system.

Last time I was in Cleveland, I had some friends from DC fly in to meet me there. I had them take the rapid from the airport to meet me downtown and they said these exact same things, along with some of the other complaints (and these are people that regularly ride the DC metro). Here I was trying to show them how big-city Cleveland was in that they could just easily take the train to meet me downtown, but with the dysfunctional impression they got, I was a little embarrassed. Of course I had to tell them that it was "being worked on". With so many similar complaints, this would be a good time for Jerry or someone to chime in about the progress in alleviating these issues.... As to not continue to lose riders, but.....?.

But wouldnt they need to build a facility (stadium) to injoy the impact that it could have? What would be the plan here?

Although when they brick over cinderblock like that dont they usually have those metal things sticking out that they use to anchor the exterior brick?

Splendid pics Clueless. Some sad, but the future is bright. Right?

Likely. We had the head of the AFL-CIO and others in talking about some of these issues the other day, and he was talking about the big push to unionize in our competing manufacturing markets. It might take some time but they thought it would do alot in leveling the playing field. But as you said there is always another emerging market to exploit.

Crains had it at 8:35am. This is a big win and a really nice example of a collaborative approach. We were following this one in one of my organizing classes in DC. I wonder how much they had to give up? (I was surprised at how little they were already making) We should know later today.

The one in the arcade? Thats not much of a newstand. I think we were thinking of one with a street presence that you can look at magazines etc...

Not this section.

I just read these this morning, very interesting. That Mr. Glazen sounds like a hero and puts his money where his mouth is. We need more people like him.

I didnt really take the Cleveland.com poster very seriously, but I think I questioned a bit the way K@D seemed to tip toe around the issue/non-issue. I get this in a sense, and yes there is never any gaurantee that something couldnt happen. McCleve. what were some of the things that didnt happen from the original vision?

Yeah it took me a while to get where Hts121 was coming from there, but once I got it, it was good! Yeah I find the little building puzzling as well. If it has to be there... Take out. How about a news stand?

lionmilk where did you end up again?

Lucky's in Tremont is another great local place for some different and very homemade kind of stuff and great brunch items! (or her other place on Larchmere "A vine and bean"). http://www.luckyscafe.com/

Awesome shots and seats Doc-Broc!!! (you might have to hang on to the mister) "Oh, and 20,562 fans all together screaming "Noah sucks!" was awesome." Thats awesome! Oh yes, our loser downtown is lacking the TGI Fridays and Applebees that all the nice downtowns have..... Interesting that I came across an article from the Chicago paper about Cleveland being such a hot restaurant city, but Im guessing Noah doesnt do much reading.

dayglo, Im sorry that your situation took you away from Cleveland, and it sounds like you appreciated all it has to offer..... Heres to your return in the hopefully not too distant future! Best of Luck.

I wonder what happened to the lady from Wonderbar that was coming on to post (I think last year)... We could all be like.... WTF's up with .......

And I didnt realize it was just a Cleveland thing until I moved from Cleveland and was perturbed when other stadiums didnt have it. (its the only reason I would get a hotdog) Although 2 years ago when I went to my first Nationals game they had it in packs at the Nationals stadium!!! I was all proud and making everybody use it. Oh come to think of it, it may have been when they were playing the Indians... I havent been since so Im not sure if its a regular thing there..

MTS that was so yesterday, and thats the second comment you made about his "bat" (we know what that says about you). I say no sweep. 5 - 0 in first inning, Indians!

I think the section still under warranty is not the section that is currently under discussion. It sounds like only the section from the inner belt to E 9th is still under warranty till next year.