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With all the talk of lack of vegetarian options, I thought this was interesting, from restaurant row. From an interview with Chrissie Hynde regarding her veggy restaurant in Akron "VegiTerranean". "... My only interest in it is the cow protection and also to bring life back into the downtown," Hynde told writer Jon Bream. He adds that she wants to open restaurants in other cities with depressed downtowns and no vegetarian eateries. Now wouldn't Cleveland be an obvious choice for her? Common Marons.. corner spot.. :

except they haven't voted yet to procede.

Its urban planning 101, you cant have a strong region without a strong core.

Actually Bar Cento sort of developed a reputation for deceiving people about the fries...., which are the same version... Ive heard of plenty of vegetarians taking that option (because they were the likely vegetarian option and never realize they are cooked in duck fat (because it isn't mentioned on the menu), and one person that even indicated they were vegetarian, ordered the fries without anybody mentioning anything. At least at Greenhouse he wised up and put it on the menu (I believe) edit: it doesn't mention on the menu... (could at least say not vegetarian friendly) well sort of deceiving for french fries.. Like RockandRoller said, its probably best and easiest when with vegetarians to stay away from Simon/Sawyer influenced places.

Public accounting firm Crowe Horwath to leave Mayfield Heights for downtown Cleveland by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter Monday August 24, 2009, 10:32 AM Crowe Horwath LLP, a national public accounting and consulting firm, will relocate its regional base from Mayfield Heights to downtown Cleveland, Mayor Frank Jackson announced today. About 45 employees will make the move to the Fifth Third Building in December 2009. More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/08/public_accounting_firm_crowe_h.html

Reminds me of a story about downtown housing yesterday in the Columbus Dispatch titled.... City chic Developments Downtown tout urban convenience, suburban feel :?

I think it is a good campaign. In fact I dont think they think of throwing them out that way.... I think if they did they would make an effort not to. Oh and I also totally agree with the light issue (huge pet peeve of mine too) Last I was in town, many of the bridges were out as well (one of the things I wanted my out of towners to see) also many/most lights inside the arcade were out. They actually had lights inside some of the gargoyle mouths after the restoration.

EC, is part of the problem, a lack of places to put cigarette butts. I know several smokers that dont want to put them in a trashcan (unless they have a puddle to put them out in first). So they will end up throwing them in the street or where ever.

Yes the oysters are supposed to be great as are the wings, but Im not a big shell fish person, and we stuck to vegetarian appetizers since we had one with us. Although I like and appreciate his concept and what he is trying to do there, I was just a little underwhelmed. I agree on the space.

I was wondering if that was you! Yes, nice story..

Well, good to know its no longer a comedy.

What is the site that Jacobs is talking about. The county site?

how did you order your burger (temp/doneness)? Medium. Same with friends steak. They just lacked flavor and kindof tough. The vegetarian option was very good though. There arent many options...

I don't know for sure but I don't think Bar Symon is doing call ahead. Ask luckygirl (from our various food boards), I think she's been there. We are waiting til the lines die down to go. I heard something like 6 or more they accept, but I guess you can always call ahead to see if they are doing call aheads.

If going to the Greenhouse, try to NOT get a table in the back mezzanine unless it is a table overlooking the restaurant. Other wise it was ok...... Hamburger and steak certainly nothing special (except Ohio grown). Lunch would be a better bet.

Palijandro, Macomb Street if its near Connecticut is a really good location, and safer than the others you mentioned. Yeah the transfer, but not bad. More on what you said yesterday, I agree that in lots of ways it has been a hard year to be a Clevelander that loves his city (seems like for every step forward there is a step and sometimes 2 backwards), and it isn’t such a bad idea to see what other places are like. DC is a good choice for opportunities and experiences for young people (there are tons of young overly ambitious people here, ugh) that may not be available everywhere, but if you are looking for something more cosmopolitan, I’m surprised you are not going to New York, Chicago or even Philly. DC has a history and reputation for not being very cosmopolitan (and lacking non-tourist culture) that it is just now somewhat shedding. DC does have the city atmosphere and what seems like constant activity that Cleveland seems to sometimes lack, but I think you will be surprised to see for yourself some of the things that are lacking (especially being Italian) which I tried to hint at this in previous posts). It’s as if Cleveland’s strengths are everything that DC lacks. I started a somewhat angry list that I was going to post last night but lost my connection! Anyway, for as “International” as it is, the offerings are pretty limited. The dozens of people that I have introduced to Cleveland that live here, thought Cleveland seemed more International and cosmopolitan than DC, particularly the eastern European ones (since DC is overwhelmingly International when it comes to Guatemalans, El Salvadorians etc…) you’ll see what I mean after you’re here for a short time. I will say that DC is changing fast, and that recently many more people are putting down stakes here, which will end up making a big difference (since nearly everyone doesn’t have ties here) which you could previously tell by there ambivalence to things outside of their career. As for a place to raise a family, I’m pretty sure you’ll find that Northeast Ohio is about as good as it gets for that, again I think you will see for yourself after being here for a short time. Ultimately DC has been a great experience for me, but the positives have just not outweighed the negatives, thus I’ m looking to move back to Cleveland, I somewhat delayed it recently because of the sometimes heartbreaking feeling that it’s a sinking ship, but then on a different day you realize it is still great, and on the cusp of many more great things. One thing that you should also remember is that it is much easier to make an impact in somewhere like Cleveland than D.C., an example being the recent bid to host the gay games, and (the city blowing DC away), it only took someone in Cleveland a good idea…... Well good luck. Oh and you may want to get your Italian fix before you move here.

Yes it will be better than an Indigo (which was not the right fit for the Ameritrust building), I don't officially know the name, but boutiquey in nature... and my sources were pretty adamant about it possibly being damaging if it was made public prematurely.

greyrat, yeah the 70's were funny like that. I think just about every old school did the same thing with the windows. They would take big lovely windows and cut them down to 1 small window and surround it by panels. I believe this was for energy conservation..... Also with the drop ceilings. The ills of the 60's and 70's. Shame.

(Channeling MTS) And you didnt post the massing because?

OT, but curious to know. How do you get around at night? Cabs are ridiculously expensive and the metro doesn't run 24 hours. Most of the people I know in DC, kept their car for that reason. Well to be honest Im staying near 17th and T, so we really don't need to go many places that we cant walk to. We also don't stay out late much anymore. So on occasion we do take a cab. My S.O. does have a car since he has to drive to the suburbs for work, but wishes he didn't, since it is such a hassle. We do totally avoid driving. It is typically only worth it if you have parking at your building, which in the new condo building typically runs $35,000 to $45,000 for 1 space. Another thing with the street parking is the constant break-ins (I see broken glass every day) Well you're a 5/10 walk to Dupont/Conneticut. Those rip off cabs...ugh. At least you're close to the new realworld house. Very close to the Real World House. But also we can walk to 18th, U and 14th as well. Oh 2 of DC's first wine bars that only opened last year are within walking distance (Me and my Cleveland friend here 12 years ago said that a wine bar should be a gold mine here (there wasnt a single one, until recently). Its amazing the stuff that you don't see here or takes that long to show up.) Its amazing how trendy it makes Cleveland seem sometimes.

Jamiec, I cant believe you just suddenly turned up here. The U-street 14th corridor is sort of the hip-ish area that has been developing the last few years. Home to the previously rather non-existent artsy creative types. This is certainly a welcome addition to the city since it was certainly one of the missing pieces (creative crowd). This has also been filtering down to the service industry, which can only lead to a slight level of competence. The areas off of here are pretty specific as far as safety. You dont have to go very far east of here to feel a bit un-safe, particularly at night. Logan is a bit more gentrified maybe to 10th, but again very spotty over there (and likely expensive) I actually really like Capital Hill for the most part. It is a bit more sleepy than other areas, but it seems more neighborhoody. Your more likely to get people that care about the neighborhood there and people that say hello, which is sort of foreign in DC. The areas around Stanton Park and Lincoln Park are beautiful (they are kind of like town squares, like in Tremont), But again you really have to check out the specific area (you don't have to go far off the gentrified path before it becomes dangerous)

OT, but curious to know. How do you get around at night? Cabs are ridiculously expensive and the metro doesn't run 24 hours. Most of the people I know in DC, kept their car for that reason. Well to be honest Im staying near 17th and T, so we really don't need to go many places that we cant walk to. We also don't stay out late much anymore. So on occasion we do take a cab. My S.O. does have a car since he has to drive to the suburbs for work, but wishes he didn't, since it is such a hassle. We do totally avoid driving. It is typically only worth it if you have parking at your building, which in the new condo building typically runs $35,000 to $45,000 for 1 space. Another thing with the street parking is the constant break-ins (I see broken glass every day)

Very interesting read indeed! But what is this "proposed new warehouse" ????????? Page 52 Isnt that what they wanted to build for a new "wind mill assembling" facility...

Child, I feel for you. 500 sq....In my head that seems so tiny for one person, but for two plus a pet, for me, that is unimaginable. You poor things. Thus its been heaven looking at these 3000-4000 sq foot homes in Cleveland (and even a yard for the pooch) I feel your pain. I'm in a 700 sq ft apartment with my girlfriend, a 100 lb dog, and an annoying cat. I look at some of the homes in Ohio City and Tremont and just drool on myself. Someday... Where do you put stuff?? Im a thrifty bitch and belive furniture should serve multiple purposes, but damn. How do you kids manage relationships?? If you get into an arguement/disagreement, there is no place to go. You have a dog and a cat, you're a Saint! Thats partly why I kept my apartment. Much of my stuff is there, and have been sub-leasing it furnished. It is rediculous though. Fortunately he is so laid back that there isn't much disagreeing or arguing like with past ones :wink: (what I say goes!)

Child, I feel for you. 500 sq....In my head that seems so tiny for one person, but for two plus a pet, for me, that is unimaginable. You poor things. Thus its been heaven looking at these 3000-4000 sq foot homes in Cleveland (and even a yard for the pooch)