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I can see why you say its a trade. But its not really. For the VA, it made sense to consolidate in the city. It didn't make sense for them to close University Circle and move everything to an expanded Brecksville location. So that move is simple operations, logic, economics, etc. In the case of SHW, SHW was actually looking for new locations in the Flats nearby its existing Breen center. It made sense for SHW Research to be in the Flats as it was close to its corporate offices and it wanted that proximity and those employees were already there. SHW was not looking to relocate miles away--only hundreds of feet away. Brecksville stole those jobs plain and simple. Brecksville and Cleveland are not equal places. So just because the VA in Washington decides to move out of Brecksville to consolidate in Cleveland where they already had operations, its doesn't mean its logical/fair/right/"an even trade" or whatever to say SHW must lose part of its workforce to Brecksville where it zero operations.

Can you do several versions--like 30, 50, and 70 stories? (We can dream, right?)

The Boston one is far worse---I guess because South Station is such beautiful architecture and is completely incongruent with the shiny new tower. In the Hearst version, the original building is not so spectacular to begin with. I don't really mind the NY one. I hate the Boston one!

@E RoccYeah, that was the situation I was thinking of---when gov't DID take property and hand it over to a private developer--not for government or utilities use. Just didn't remember the details. So I take it that approach hasn't been used since. @mrnyc that example in NY is really crazy. Though it still doesn't look as bad as the thing in Seattle even if the NYC example is much much taller. Is there an issue with "air rights" in the NYC case? The owner of that building previously had the ability (and right) to go on his/her roof and enjoy the sky and the sun, etc. And it looks like he can still get onto the roof--but can no longer see or enjoy the sky. Did the owner sell some air rights? If he didn't, then does that automatically prevent construction like this around and OVER his building? The Seattle example above did not take away the space above the property like this example does. @YABO713 and @LlamaLawyer, as attorneys, feel free to weigh in here!

I was responding to your post. You said people don't care about being Downtown esp in Cleveland -- that Downtown was so bad people would rather be in a suburban hellhole. You said " The best and brightest look for opportunity to rise up the ladder, get good benefits and a good culture at the work place. Not the opportunity to be pestered by panhandling, pay for parking, and find you're car broken into at the lot, just so you could walk to your $30 business lunch. I'm all for working and living downtown, but I've read and seen what this region wants." I am part of this region and what you said is not what I want. That's what I was saying.

I'll tell you what I want: If i had a choice between two companies of relatively equal esteem for equal pay and benefit and equal title and equal kind of work and one was in Downtown Cleveland and the other in Mayfield Hts or Westlake or Strongsville or Independence or other suburban crap, I would take the job Downtown in a second. Yes--even if I had to pay for parking. Downtown is such a healthier mentality than the hum-drum blahness of the suburbs. Hell, even if the job downtown paid a little bit less than the suburban one, I'd probably take it as well, as who knows where new jobs or opportunities will lead when you're around other companies and people vs being outcast in some suburban office campus or bldg.

That message must be made to them repeatedly because you know the Brecksvilles and Mayfield Hts's of the world are already knocking on Cliff's door trying to sell them suburban crap and "ease of parking" and all that.... Sherwin Williams was looking in the Flats for their new research center and that's a company that is committed to Cleveland, yet still Brecksville was able to steal all those jobs from the city.

Is there no design review or design standards in Boston? This looks utterly atrocious.

Something very creepy about this rendering--I don't know what it is! Anyone else get that vibe from it?

I'm in the area pretty regularly and I never knew it was there either. It looks like it had no outdoor signage? Or at least nothing generally visible? Always sad to see a business fail and shut down--but in this case, it looks like it was their own doing---no marketing or signage whatsoever, yet signage for another business on the building. How could they expect to stay in business anywhere?

Great thread! I just looked at this house using google street view--1438 NW 46th St., Seattle. The overall product with this little house in the middle looks pretty bad. No attempt to incorporate the little house in the design--maybe the plan is to knock it down and fill in the space with like materials once the owner passes (which she since has). But it doesn't look good. I respect private property rights and for one not to lose their house to rich developers (who, in this case, offered her $1M), and I guess in this case, it didn't stop or derail the project (though probably lost some sq footage to build around her), it did create an ugly result. Just curious---if this situation was in Cleveland--what would have happened to the home owner? Would the house be taken by eminent domain and be handed to the developer? Or would the homeowner prevail and the project would either proceed like it did in Seattle or the developer would just walk away? I guess I'm asking, how much power does an individual homeowner have here in a case like this?

The article also said: "Cliffs....could also bring along offices of some of its largest suppliers and business-servicing firms, namely those in legal and accounting...." Plus the need for status. Remember they don't need to occupy each floor. They can rent out space to related--or unrelated--tenants until they themselves need the space as they grow---or even if they don't need it from growth, it will just be rental income. So I see a modern 75-80 story bldg. Location? Perhaps the old Nucleus lot near E. 4 and Prospect. I could also see them around the NE corner of E. 13 and Chester. Both spaces are now giant parking lots.

But the Standard Bldg in that photo certainly looks taller and skinner than it does today.

That's good to know, thanks. Upon further digging, the German cruises were not end of year trips but scheduled cruises: https://thepointsguy.com/news/cleveland-cruise-boom-tauck-viking/ "In one of the quirkiest ship arrivals that Cleveland has seen in some time, a German cruise ship full of Germans is scheduled to make a rare appearance in the city later this month and again in October. The 394-passenger Hamburg is operated by the German cruise brand Plantours and is known for taking German travelers to far-flung places around the world."

^Citizen Pie pizza looks awesome. We'll go there, thanks!