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Pretentious Barrel House in Columbus has closed. I just moved to Cleveland a little over a week ago and saw some of their 6 packs on a "Discontinued" shelf at Dave's, and man, they are really good. I love actual sour beers that arent just "tart fruit" beers, and theirs knock it out the park. Sad I missed them. Got the Percolator, Percolatte, and I forget the name, but it was aged in wine barrels. All 3 were solid, and I might go back to try to grab the rest of the 6 packs. https://www.dispatch.com/story/entertainment/dining/2024/07/24/pretentious-barrel-house-columbus-brewery-closing/74531584007/

The fact they even had those original designs drawn up in 2017 is promising that they wont just stick a warehouse there, especially now that the area is starting to undergo a ton of development, when it wasnt so much in 2017.

Man. Cheekface is fun, but I am too old to see a band start at 10pm

interesting. definitely post in here if you hear about one!

I like the idea someone brought up after seeing Dan Gilbert was investing in Cosm that one of those could fit in to that area, maybe an area with some retail and a hotel. A friend of mine went to the one in Chicago to watch a soccer game, and it was $85 a ticket, but he said it was an amazing experience.

I think an NWSL team would be more successful than USLC, though if we had both, they could both be successful. It's my theory that cities used to having major league teams find it harder to support lower level leagues in other sports. I havent done the research at all, so it's completely possible there may be NFL/MLB/NBA cities with successful minor league soccer or baseball teams. I just think when a place is used to a certain level of quality (jokes about the Browns aside) it's hard to accept a league that's a step below "the best".

A music pavilion you say? Has someone been reading my posts on here? (the answer is no, but still, I'm glad someone else is mentioning the idea)

Thanks! Been following your blog for about 2 years and it was actually a big help in choosing to move here. I get the rate of construction and improvement can feel frustrating at times but compared to new orleans yall are moving at light speed. Lol.

Tied House at Royal Docks is hiring for a few positions. Hopefully it means an opening is around the corner https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tied-House---Royal-Docks-Brewing-Co.?from=mobviewjob&tk=1i60co3s42988000&fromjk=0f0b6459121bb4c7&attributionid=mobvjcmp

The pay spots seem to be focusing only on "convenient" from what it looks like. "Available" remains to be seen. The cost does not seem unreasonable at all though. As for transit... I know it isnt feasible at all, but a street car loop (with multiple vehicles in both directions) running down Madison in Lakewood -> Lorain (at W65th) -> Abbey (at W25th) -> into Tremont -> looping back to W 25th south of Lorain -> up Lorain to Detroit -> down Detroit all the way into Lakewood -> back to Madison, would be a neat route. I know people will say thats what buses are for, but come on. Street cars that you can just ride the whole way with out transferring are way cooler. But maybe thats just the New Orleanian in me. I'm moving to Ohio City specifically for all the stuff I see happening. It looks great. New Orleans sees the same issue though. We had a millionaire businessman who liked to pretend he was all about the city and its culture, and bought a house next door to one of the most popular bars, then sued them for having live music so late at night. Like.... what did you expect?

As someone who is a proto climate refugee (just trying to get a jump on the exodus from New Orleans over the next 20 years) moving to cleveland in a week, I think it's important to not only look at what's good for the city now, but what's best for the city in 10-20 years while a new stadium is still in its prime operating years. I do think the Great Lakes are going to see a large population influx over the next two decades. The problem is the Haslems are old enough where they are likely much less worried about Cleveland 2045 than they are about their bank account in 5 years. But which stadium location is best if Cleveland and the metro sees a large influx of people, and is done the right way? I can see some pros for the Brook Park site: If the city/county forces the Haslems to connect the Brook Park stadium district to the airport and an improved rapid station (perhaps housed inside the first floor of a hotel/apartment building containing ground floor retail) with lots of amenities accessible never leaving a covered area, that's a solid area to see rapid population gain with more apartment towers. While the lakefront site likely wont see the loss of the Muni lots, because of the requirement for parking spaces within a certain distance to the stadium, the cost of building new garages, and the uproar from suburbanites losing tailgating spaces that arent located inside of "the city" There are also some pros for the current site: Aside from the cheaper cost, an open lakefront stadium can be a majestic thing, if done right. The parking lots would definitely need to be redeveloped in line with the city's current plan (despite the obstacles I mentioned above). Beef up the rapid and waterfront line, and get the land bridge and shoreway projects done. And the "tradition" of old school football played in the elements is maintained, which, coming from New Orleans, I know that a lot about what makes a team successful is maintaining the cultural and historical ties to the region that supports it. This is also the cheaper option that could extend the the life of the stadium for another 15-ish years, by which point if my prediction of a large population influx happens, *then* you have more information about how economically and culturally viable building a new stadium in a new location will be. Spend less money now so you can make a better decision for the future, instead of spending a ton of money now on plans that will be harder to modify to accommodate a growing metro area. tl;dr: I’d probably upgrade the lakefront stadium, proceed with the public lakefront renovations, start the process to close Burke, and then in 10-15 years, reassess population trends to see if a large “football city” in brook park is more feasible.

Get ready to add one from Louisiana in 6 days 😄

This was a DIII playoff game in 2003 when I was in grad school, and my first major snow storm coming from New Orleans, and I loved watching every minute of it. I'm not even a Browns fan, but if there's a game forecasted to get snow, I'm getting tickets.

As a Saints fan, I hate to admit this, but Arthur Blank seems to actually want whats best for Atlanta sports fans. The funding for the new stadium was 80% funded by him, also agreeing to cover any cost overruns, and also has fan-friendly concession pricing. He owns the Atlanta United team too, so sharing a brand new stadium for both of his teams makes sense, and is the exception, not the rule.

Nautica is only 5k where as what I'd like to see it modeled after (Jones Beach) is 15k, and there's a big difference with a completely open theater with just the open water behind it, in terms of ambiance. Maybe an open theater wouldnt work weather-wise, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm gonna keep beating the drum for a lakefront amphitheater with about 15k seats. Outdoors means it could really only operate March to October probably, but if the summer months fit in 2 or 3 well-attended concerts per week, this could potentially match the 700k crowd per year that football games bring in, and you dont need all the parking lots for tailgating. Replace the stadium with an apartment tower or two with ground floor retail and some of the pre-existing development ideas that would need to shift a little for the theater. I added an overlay of Jones Beach for scale. And then a really really bad photoshop of what this would look like without the stadium, using the development plan. They could position the beach they want to build right on the west side of the theater so you could have a view into it, as an additional ticketing options for shows. Only thing it loses is the "sun deck" but adds a ton of space in the middle that I just copy pasted buildings into to hide the empty stadium rendering. Heck, stick a big ferris wheel in the middle or something.

I saw REM at Jones Beach on Long Island NY a long time ago (pic from google, not that concert) and an open air theater on the water, on a clear night, is just a perfect venue. A 5-10k person concert venue emptying out into the proposed lakefront district would bring a ton of activity to the retail right there, and be a great pre or post-concert space to hang out.

relocating/closing Burke and demolishing the stadium would open up the largest lakefront development opportunity of any american city since american cities were a thing. there could be a lakefront bike trail all the way from the mouth of the river to gordon park, then down the cultural gardens to the museums, university, and little italy.

Any "football village" that gets built around a stadium in Brook Park is just going to be The Flats for suburbanites scared to go to The Flats. The *only* thing I could see making this sustainable is a really good connection to the airport. Football games and a dozen concerts/shows per year isnt going to cut it. (edit: replied to comments before I saw there was a whole new page of replies... oops)

It's too bad it sounds like there's no way to fast track the closure of Burke, because that sounds like the best compromise for the Haslems. Give them a large chunk and tax it, turn the other half either into the gated community or a metro park (or even a lakefront golf course would still be better than what it is now), and reserve a lakefront walking/bike trail all the way between downtown and Gordon Park / the future CHEERS site. Opens up the old stadium site for a ton of downtown expansion via the landbridge. Everyone wins.

Still a few weeks out from my move to Cleveland (Ohio City specifically), and I love BBQ. How would people rank the places on the west side? Based on photos alone, Proof has been looking good.

Their plan sounds solid to me. Thats a good cut of meat they plan on using for the base option.

If the Browns move to the Burke land or Brook Park, what would be the thoughts on the old Browns Stadium becoming a large Convention Center resort like Kalahari or Gaylord as the anchor to the lakefront plan, connecting to the convention center on the other end of the land bridge? These resorts do usually have a large indoor amusement or water park aspect. Too big and garish for the lakefront? Would something like that fit better on the Burke land next to a new domed stadium, allowing the current Browns stadium to be all public amenities/retail?

I like the idea of a casual steak place a step above Outback, and think it could have a real audience. But it's going to have to deliver on quality, and not just instagram-able decor.

Royal Docks just sold a controlling interest to an investment group last month to raise the funds needed to finish expanding into the CoHatch spot by August, as well as potentially two more places in NEO. https://www.cantonrep.com/story/business/2024/06/28/royal-docks-brewing-purchased-by-investment-group/74244971007/ They had previously said they plan on this specific brewery being focused on wood-aging, which I hope is still the plan. Wood-aged beers are great, and even in a brewery-saturated area like Ohio City, this is a unique concept that should help them stand out.