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Considering Ford Field was built into a warehouse and supposed to look like a warehouse, I would say your comment varifies a good job. Unless you were kidding, then, yeah.

I always thought the Indianapolis skyline was rather un-impressive. I love the town, just not the skyline. Nonetheless, the pics are nice.

More like urbanist snobs

My primary residence is in Frenchtown Township (I do attend college in Evansville, IN), in a subdivision called Detroit Beach, just up the road from Sterling State Park off Dixie Hwy. Our beaches are super clean, if you swim in May after they are cleaned and before anyone uses them. They get worse than Sterling, a place I tend to avoid. We also have a dairy mart, so we are the greatest of the beaches along Dixie Hwy! I like Luna Pier, it is probably my second favorite beach in Monroe County behind Stoney Point. That is my favorite, because it is usually the cleanest. I also like Maple Beach, which is in Rockwood by the Lake Erie Metropark. That may actually be in Wayne County, Rockwood does straddle the line somewhat. I am not exactly sure if that is still in Monroe County or not. Stoney Point is much like Detroit Beach, in that it is supposed to be private, but, if you do not cause a stir, you can use it with no problems. They do not exactly check you at the gate to ensure you are a resident.

I do not have any stats to back up my points. I am from Monroe, and travel there often to visit my family and friends who live in Monroe when my school schedule allows. All I can really tell you is that most of my family and friends in Monroe primarily travel to Wayne County. Some of my Aunts and Uncles that live in Erie and Las Salle travel to Toledo, one even has a job in T-town. Primarily, however, from my experience as someone who has lived in Monroe most of my life is that Monroe residents travel to Wayne County far more than Toledo, and really could care less what is happening in Bedford. Sure, the south part of Monroe County is growing, but that does not justify putting it into Toledo's MSA. That just means the south end of Monroe County can have towns like the north end of Toledo allready has. There is not as much integration with Toledo as you seem to think, and that would prevent it from being placed in the MSA.

Those are some impressive red x's. I am guessing the city no longer exists....

Unless Bedford balloons to be a much larger community, Monroe County will not become a part of Toledo's MSA. Temperance? Are you kidding me? HAve you ever been to Temperance? There is no sprawl hell in Temperance. Temperance is a farm town with a grocery store. Luna Pier? There may be some people moving there from Toledo, but certainly nothing that would warrant shifting Monroe into Toledo's MSA, at least not withhin the next four years. There is no possible way. In order for Monroe County to become a part of Toledo's MSA, there would have to be a degree of socio-economic integration with Toledo, and that is not happening county wide. Maybe that area south of Sterns Road or along Lewis Avenue, but come on! Monroe, is growing, no doubt about it, but to say Monroe County should be in Toledo's MSA is absurd. There is not enough of an integration county wide with a neighboring city to warrant Monroe swaying one way or the other. People in Northern Monroe County (and Monroe City) go to places such as Woodhaven and Taylor in Wayne County, not Toledo.

C-dawg, unless the info I got from the US Census bureau is off, Monroe is its own MSA and not a part of Detroit or Toledo. The situation you described hardly indicates that they "share" radio stations, You just happen to pick up a couple of them in T-town. I stand pat on my point. Monroe can not go either way, because of its location, unless Toledo and Detroit become one MSA, and that will never happen. http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro_general/List4.txt

Detroit and Toledo do not share TV stations. Detroit has its own affilaites, Toledo has its own. Detroiters do not watch Toledo TV and Toledoans may or may not desperatly seek out Detroit TV stations. They really do not share eadio stations either, Toledoans can pick up a couple of stations, but not a lot. Also, by definition of MSA, it is highly unlilely Monroe, MI will ever fit into Detroit or Toledo's market unless Detroit and Toledo are melded together, and that is not likely to ever happen. Washington DC and Baltimore are not even one MSA, why would Detroit and Toledo ever be one MSA?

I ask because I don't know, but does the Netherlands sit at risk of having cat 5 hurricanes pummel it? If not, that would certainly seem to be a different situation than NOLA.

More like Northeast, most of it is on a river. Lake St. Clair mostly borders the suburbs and points north. The point being, Cleveland is ENTIRELY bounded by a lake. Detroit is not. It is has a lot of river front.

Detroit is not on a lake. It is on a river.

For the most part, yes. People buy sports franchises because they want to own a sports franchise, not because they are hoping to make money. Must explain why people buy sport franchises at 100 million dollars and sell them at 200 million dollars And aside from someone holding the team for 50 plus years, can you cite an occurance of this? I have re-read what I said, and what I meant was that pro sports teams rarely if ever maximize profit. However, with the exception of the NFL, whose revenue figures are harder to get a hold of and are inflated by monster tv contracts; a sizeable chunk of pro sports franchises, turn little or no profit. Many lose money. No body would buy a pro sports franchise hoping to make money, unless they were hoping to tank the team and not field a winner. There will always be exceptions. Perhaps those figures are hard to get because no profit = justification of taxpayers financing their stadiums? The reason people invest money is because they anticipate a return on their investment. No one does it to see it go down the drain. If they are that stupid then I'd like to know how they managed to acquire their wealth in the first place. I've read somewhere the same thing C-Dawg cited about broadcasting revenues being split between all teams. Baseball doesn't bring as much revenue but the salary caps are probably about half of what basketball and football are despite the fact that there are way more games in a season. Seriously, anyone buying a pro sports franchise thinking of it as an "investment" is crazy. There are much better things to place your money into if you want to turn a long-term profit. In 2003, half of all MLB teams lost money. MLB, by the way, has no salary cap. Also, MLB does split money from national contracts up among teams (ie ESPN, Fox SAturday games and post-season games), but that is the extent of the sharing. The broadcasts you see on regional FSN stations are not split. The Cleveland Indians get no part of the money the Reds bring in from FSN Ohio. Many teams (such as the NY Yankees) have started launching their own networks to broadcast games on, so they can generate more revenue and control more of the advertising money. In the NBA, it is about a third losing money, and a few who turned a miniscule profit. Most NHL teams, pre-lockout, lost money. Sports stadiums are also poor ways to spend money, and that is why very few owners are willing to finance them with out help. Sports stadiums are great for downtown neighborhoods, but the idea that they generate millions of dollars for a city is bunk.

For the most part, yes. People buy sports franchises because they want to own a sports franchise, not because they are hoping to make money. Must explain why people buy sport franchises at 100 million dollars and sell them at 200 million dollars And aside from someone holding the team for 50 plus years, can you cite an occurance of this? I have re-read what I said, and what I meant was that pro sports teams rarely if ever maximize profit. However, with the exception of the NFL, whose revenue figures are harder to get a hold of and are inflated by monster tv contracts; a sizeable chunk of pro sports franchises, turn little or no profit. Many lose money. No body would buy a pro sports franchise hoping to make money, unless they were hoping to tank the team and not field a winner. There will always be exceptions.