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That would be my guess. The pics look like they were taken a few blocks west of Public Square and just north of Superior, and the 16-story Rockefeller Building was built in 1905, so that makes sense. As a side note, I believe the Rockefeller Building was the tallest building in Cleveland from 1905 until 1922, when The Keith Building and The Superior Building were built.

I'm so confused now.

The eastern portion of North Port, Florida always was depressing and fascinating to me at the same time. http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=27.061782,-82.074866&spn=0.016548,0.033023&z=16 All of that infrastructure and not a house for miles. What a waste of money. They even built bridges on I-75 over the roads to access the wasteland northeast of the highway. The traffic on US-41 in Port Charlotte is very heavy all the way from the bridge over the Peace River to the mall a SR 776, and US-41 is 3 lanes in each direction. I can't imagine what a nightmare traffic would be if all of those lots were built out in North Port and southwest of the mall.

I thought only Cleveland people took jabs at other cities????????

All those articles you post, and you're too lazy to look this question up? http://xingcolumbus.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/updated-3c-schedule/ No, it goes past Sharonville to Lunken. But this discussion probably belongs over in the 3C thread.

These studies aren't going to be entirely accurate, but I have to believe their predicted rates are based on historical values and are going to be more accurate than anecdotal evidence.

What a great game on Saturday. The weather was miserable, but it was one of the most exciting football games I have ever been to.

All it takes to believe the b/s the media must be feeding the fans down in Cincy is a quick trip over to the Bengals thread on this board.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/30/weekend.pickoff.week.4/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz117S4hm10

Stone Oven > Panera Panera represents the worst of how chain restaurants and advertisement messes with people's minds. Their food is uber-unhealthy (makes a Big Mac look like health food), yet everyone loves them because they think they're making the healthy choice by eating there. And that's not to mention how processed and not fresh their food tastes. Try their Balsamic Vinaigrette dressing and tell me there's even a drop of actual Balsamic Vinegar in that crap.

Agreed!

Oh joy, now everyone will be able to get their sodium fix under the guise of "healthy food".

I think KJP was just using "preemptive moderating" because he's seen conversations run off track before, not necessarily saying your post was off topic.

Well it is a fact that Cleveland is far more liberal than Cincinnati. I would say the reason the liberals don't outweigh the conservatives is because Columbus and Dayton are more politically aligned with SWO than NEO.

Progressive, and HR people in general, are having a hard time looking outside the box and identifying people who are capable of doing the job required vs. finding people who have done that exact job before. Agreed. There is a real talent gap between employers and emplyees in NEO right now. I liked Gramarye's suggestion in the Ohio Governor thread that potential employers could hire capable candidates and net a portion of the cost of re-training them out of their compensation for a period of time to offset the costs. I think it has more to do with the fact that Progressive doesn't pay very well. When I was looking for a new job I didn't even consider them after seeing what some of their developer salaries were like. Of course, maybe my sample size wasn't big enough and they do in fact pay well, but that's not the impression I have.

Completely agree. I see where you're coming from, and it's definitely a valid argument. However, I feel that both pieces are necessary and if you only have money for one, it's hard to say which is more important than the other. I think having intercity trains in place can help encourage suburbanites that they should support urban public transit because they would be more likely to use it through necessity created by trips on the intercity trains. If we built better urban public transit, I feel many suburbanites would continue to look at it as just something "those people" use.

Where did you get this information? This is completely wrong. The benefits to freight traffic (which will be carried on the same line) have been enumerated countless times in this thread. More people don't take public transit because good public transit isn't available. It can't be done for less money because all modes of transportation are expensive. Why can't roads be done for less money? They're far more costly than trains. That's what we're trying to do. Actually, as far as the government mandating anything, they're "forcing" us to use cars, since a lot of our tax money goes towards highways regardless of whether we use them or not with no viable alternative. If the 3C gets built, noone will be forced to use it, and roads will still be a great alternative if you wish to use them. And the costs paid from taxes will still be MUCH lower per person than for highways. How could you even talk about people being "forced" to ride trains with the current transportation situation in this country?

I got out of work pretty late, so I didn't go either.

I may try to get up there if I can get off work at a reasonable hour.

Or maybe ignore certain subforums altogether.

Is the scale the same on all of those maps?

I've always heard that Cleveland and St. Louis were two of the most segregated cities in the country. I think Cincinnati is known more for racial tension rather than racial segregation.

I still maintain that most people who compare bus and train as if they are interchangeable have either never ridden a train or never ridden a bus before.

Kind of like South Street under the Brooklyn Bridge?

TBideon, I believe the initial estimate between Cleveland and Columbus was around 50 mph, not 37 mph. The Dayton to Cincinnati leg has always been the one estimated to bring the average way down. EDIT: Never mind, I see KJP already addressed this above.