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I don't understand some of the church closings, but St. James in particular makes absolutely no sense. But when you look at who it was clustered with and the requirement from the Bishop that one of the three closed, it seems that Bishop Lennon set it up to fail for one reason or another. This whole thing smells.

OK, children, let's argue what we like and dislike about each city. This namecalling is ridiculous. And saying a city is better because a bunch of people moved there in the 90s doesn't count either (McDonald's sells more hamburgers than Heck's, so they must be far superior). "People desire to live in Atlanta, unlike Cleveland." Yo, you have some valid points and MTS has his share of ridiculous statements, but this one right here is pretty bad. I, for one, love Cleveland and have absolutely ZERO desire to ever live in Georgia (Atlanta = Georgia for all practical purposes as long as Savannah can be considered part of South Carolina). Also, my cousin, who lives in Atlanta, loves Cleveland and is looking for a job up here because he is sick of the traffic, suburban nature, and sticky summers of Atlanta. I also know some people who love Atlanta. It's not for everyone, though, and there are many redeeming qualities to Cleveland, which are more important to some people than others. That is what everyone arguing here seems to be missing.

The church I am a member of (and was married at this past summer), St. Stephen, was also recommended to close by the same cluster that St. Procop was in. Like St. Procop, St. Stephen is self-sustaining (no debt, all bills paid) and even has been around a $20,000 in the black the last couple years, even with some major repairs required (one due to lightning striking the tower). There is no financial reason for either of these churches to close. I know there is also the shortage of priests issue, but churches can always share priests and the diocese could also stop catering to suburban sprawl by placing multiple priests in suburban parishes, which rarely need them, as those parishes seem to be least active in the community (usually due to the fact that they have the lowest poverty rates). Of course, I am ignoring the personal and historical reasons these churches should stay open, but one of the main reasons the diocese is closing churches is finances, and financially these churches should stay open. Regardless of which churches close or stay open, this evening will be a sad one for many Catholics and lovers of architecture alike. Yes, if it's not apparent, I am upset and disappointed by my diocese, and I know I'm not the only one.

Is this middle school? I thought we were all too intelligent for ignorant comments like these. This thread needs to be shut down.

Especially with the relatively low property tax rate.

JMasek/JeTDoG, Just letting you know that the new (as of November 9) online schedules for the Blue and Green Lines (67/67A) are reversed for Saturday Westbound. I figured this out last Saturday when I was waiting to board a westbound Green Line train (the one that I thought left Green Rd. at 2:29 pm) and it was about 15 minutes "late" (later than I expected). I boarded the train and decided to check the paper schedule and sure enough it said 2:45 was the actual departure time. 2:29 was the departure time for a Blue Line train from Warrensville/Van Aken on this paper schedule. Thinking I must not be able to read the online schedules correctly, I checked again online when I got home. There it says that 2:29 is the departure for a Green Line train from Green Rd., and 2:45 is the departure time for a Blue Line train from Warrensville/Van Aken. The times are all correct from Shaker Square to Tower City.

I know you want to be fairly close to Kent, but if you do end up around Cleveland, the Shaker Lakes Nature Center is another place to look. And I think you'd find MANY like-minded people in the Heights area.

Palin was an inner-leckshool, no?

LOL. Actually, if he could pull it off, it might be ingenious. It would guarantee that a Democrat would be in office from 2012-2016. :)

Good laaaaaaaawd. As the King of Shaker Square, it pains me to admit this, but Jam (you bastard) you're right. I didn't really look at the address when I replied so I had to verify that location today. This building is in fact in Shaker. :-[ What a terrible King that doesn't even know what domain he ruleth over! I only knew that because (1) I spent wayyyyy too much time being obsessed with maps at a young age (and still am to a certain degree), and (2) I have a friend that lives right there and told me they lived in Shaker Heights. I told them they were wrong, that Shaker Square was part of Cleveland (you know, the standard line), but they replied "I think I know what city I live in" or something like that. Well, I did my research then apologized.

Yep, true story. I, on the other hand, vote in a synagogue. (OK, well it was a synagogue last time I voted there, but it moved this summer so the building is not a synagogue any longer.) My voting experience was that the scanner machine broke as I was waiting in line to turn in my ballot. I had to wait for them to try to fix it and eventually determine that the best plan of action would be to have all of us just shove our ballots into a nylon box that looked like a big square gym bag. Arrived at 6:30, left at 7:35.

The apartment on Larchmere is technically in Shaker Heights since it is on the north side of Larchmere, although it is only a block from Shaker Square. The city limit line is goofy around there. The whole Shaker Heights, but Shaker Square is in Cleveland, and Shaker Blvd. runs through teh middle of it all with the green line called the Shaker Rapid must really be confusing to out-of-towners. Anyways, based on your work location and preferences I would definitely recommend either Little Italy or Coventry if you can find something affordable there, simply because they are great neighborhoods and you will be closer to work. Shaker Square is also a wonderful neighborhood and a great choice if Little Italy and Coventry do not offer anything reasonable, but it is a little bit further (not much, though). Downtown would be great, too, but you'll have a tough time finding a studio, let alone one that is furnished and affordable. Stay away from Euclid or Warrensville Heights. Other than there not being NEAR as much to do in those places, they would be fairly long public transit trips to Huron. You'd find yourself itching to have a car, both to get to work and to get to fun places. In Little Italy, University Circle, Coventry, Cedar-Fairmount, Cedar-Lee, or downtown, almost everything you will want to do will be within walking distance or a very short bike/transit ride.

Seriously, one Bob Evans thread is already one too many.

Case moved from #15 to #13. They moved ahead of all 3 teams that lost (#7 UW-Eau Claire, #9 Capital, and #14 Delaware Valley. Hardin-Simmons, however, passed them up, so they only moved up 2 spots. The bad news for the game is that Brian Calderone reinjured his knee and Shaun Nicely injured his hamstring and didn't play in the 2nd half.

If I'm "the next person", then you hate Chipotle with a passion. Mayday, MTS...you're not missing out on anything.

I've been telling everyone I know about this plan. I love it. It makes so much sense that I think ODOT will resist it with all their might, but they would be incredibly stupid not to end up following through with something like this. By the way, this almost reminds me exactly of the part in the book Suburban Nation where they talk about the "Highwayless Town" and the "Townless Highway". Freeways much better serve cities when the through routes do not cut through the heart of the city, but instead provide an access road terminating in the heart of the city. As an added bonus we would get from KJP's plan, people could talk about how cool it is to live inside the "Loop". :)

I can't stand Bob Evans. It seems to me as if everything has a certain taste, as if everything they make is dipped in a vat of "Bob Evans Grease" before it is served. I place it a step below Applebee's (which is close to the bottom as well). And the fact that they are almost universally located in a sea of asphalt near a freeway exit doesn't help their cause (or make them feel "country").

Welcome, Rob. It's great to have you on this board...from reading some of your blog posts, it looks like you should have joined sooner. :) It's nice to see people recognizing and participating in the growing urbanist trend.

Did they use any MayDay images? :)

I was refuting your claim of "most likely", so it was really you that should have said "at my company, employees likely receive free internet at home". Anyways, I feel like this is becoming rather childish and the thread needs to move on. Well we'll have to disagree on the internet issue as it appears we both have different experiences. Fair? Fair enough. And I will agree with you that I should have probably said something like "I have a different opinion (or experiences)." than "Absolutely wrong." :) A long, bad day at work can affect your diction like that.

I would agree with you in some cities, but for the most part, this is not true in Cleveland. African-American student body percentages in the schools close to the core of the city are higher than one would probably expect for Catholic schools: Cleveland Central Catholic - 59% (and 77% minority), Benedictine and VASJ - ~25%, St. Ignatius and St. Edward - ~10%. This is probably why the racial makeup of the CMSD reflects the population fairly closely. The Catholic schools that are viewed as being uppity and white are mostly in the burbs, like Gilmour and NDCL.

I was refuting your claim of "most likely", so it was really you that should have said "at my company, employees likely receive free internet at home". Anyways, I feel like this is becoming rather childish and the thread needs to move on.

Absolutely wrong MTS. I have had 3 different computer programming jobs now, and all 3 have required me to be able to answer a call or email at any hour (I have been called after midnight on a weekend a few times) and be able to log into my machine at work instantly to help diagnose he problem. This obviously would not be possible without an Internet connection, especially since at all 3 of my jobs the building would be secured at these times and no entry would be allowed. And the company would laugh in your face if you asked them to pay for your Internet connection. It is expected that you had one if you work with computers for a living. I'm Absolutely wrong?! You've had 3 jobs or worked for three different company's. You're sure you can speak in absolute terms? You can't possibly speak for all company's, now can you? :wink: I work for a media company and I have to have Internet access, phone, email, fax 24/7. I have a special line that comes directly from the cable box directly into my house. And I don't pay for it. I know many, many people who have company owned blackberry's, PC's and the company pays for their Internet access, media plan, as well as the device itself. Yes, I am saying you were wrong. I wasn't saying that no exployers pay for internet access. I was saying you were wrong for saying that "most likely" the employer will. All 3 programming jobs I have had and every person I have worked with (which when you take in their previous employers, includes a lot of employers) has NEVER had internet access paid for. Some have Blackberries, but only those in management. So in my experience, "most likely" is simply false. And I think it sucks a company is willing to pay for home internet for their higher-ups when many of them (as you have admitted that you don't) won't use it for business at home. I am often REQUIRED to do work at home and they won't pay for my internet access. They also have my cell phone number...and use it at times. And they won't pay for that either. But I guess I shouldn't complain, it seems as if we should all feel lucky just to have a job in these economic times.

Wouldn't the following article from the Plain Dealer indicate that this in fact isn't what is hurting them (at least through June 30)? http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/business-8/1223541109300460.xml&coll=2 Also surprising is that Key's deposits are up (albeit not as much).

I agree that many "necessities" can be done without. But some things that seem like extras really can be beneficial. If my family hadn't bought a computer when I was younger, I never would have become fascinated with them and become a computer programmer. The little things like this are many times why people from very poor backgrounds have less opportunities available to them. Absolutely wrong MTS. I have had 3 different computer programming jobs now, and all 3 have required me to be able to answer a call or email at any hour (I have been called after midnight on a weekend a few times) and be able to log into my machine at work instantly to help diagnose he problem. This obviously would not be possible without an internet connection, especially since at all 3 of my jobs the building would be secured at these times and no entry would be allowed. And the company would laugh in your face if you asked them to pay for your internet connection. It is expected that you had one if you work with computers for a living.