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So they want to steal our businesses and residents with unrealistically low taxes, and then have us bail them out when it's proven unsustainable? I have a better idea for them, if they want our water, they can move back here and have it.

Of course it's cool. It's great. I've wasted much time on it already. But it sure isn't the same as being there.

And we're all gonna get a lot more gray hairs from Borowski this year.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe whether or not a county is in the MSA is dependent upon what percentage of the people commute to the central county for work. Less must be commuting to Cuyahoga with Mentor stealing industry from Cuyahoga County.

What's sad is that some people (and it seems even the reporter) really think that is true.

Most terrorists are leftists? You mean like abortion clinic bombers? Anyways, what it has to do with anything is that I believe that extreme individualism can lead to isolation and delusion about your fellow man. With limited interaction with people that aren't just like you, you are more likely to see them as not being fully human. Think of the difference between peoples' reaction to reading about deaths in some strange foreign land. It doesn't really seem to register that it's a loss of human life. Do we really want people to feel that way about nearly everyone? And what do you mean about the cure being the cause? Using less energy is somehow worse for the planet than using more? It sounds like the typical right-wing justification for doing whatever the hell you want without ever looking at the ramifications of your actions. I also have a feeling that no one could convince you that something was actually destroying the planet until it was fully destroyed. I am also not so sure that many inventions have the intention of reducing forced interaction as much as attempting to make life more convenient. For example, the attached garage, automobile, and office parking lot weren't created so people could get to work without seeing anyone else (there's still forced interaction on the roadway, just much more impersonal), those things were created so that people could get to work faster and on their own time schedule. Online shopping was created so people could browse anything they want and buy instantly without having to raise their lazy butts from a chair, not so they didn't have to see other people. Suburban style strip malls were created so that there was ample parking for people that now all had cars for their convenience, not so they couldn't walk to them and possibly have to meet other people on the street. Maybe I just have different inventions in mind then you did when you made the comment, but I really can't tell since you haven't given any examples.

The only name I have to throw out is MyTwoSense, as he could probably give you the inside and out of every apartment building in the vicinity. Also, you could check out the following to see if there's anything you didn't see in person: http://www.rent.com/rentals/ohio/cleveland-and-vicinity/cleveland/shaker-square/ http://www.shakersquare.net/ptl/ptl-apt.htm

I believe Tenleytown is the longest escalator. EDIT: I looked it up and it's apparently the Wheaton station that has the longest escalator.

What's amazing is how much money they must have spent on what looks to be an incredibly inefficient, confusing, and dangerous intersection. I'm sure someone somewhere is very proud that they designed such a "cool" intersection, though.

Nor are you. Why is it not OK for me to point out that Sagamore Hills is a long drive to the airport? Maybe this will cause them to think about how they will get to the airport before they buy a place and then regret it. If the person hadn't asked for advice and given us information, then I wouldn't be offering an opinion.

I would bet that a fairly common characteristic of the school shooters/domestic terrorists is staunch individualism and antisocial (as defined by Merriam-Webster) behavior. And I am not so sure that your assertion as fact that the majority of people do not like forced interaction is true. That's fine if it's true for you but that doesn't mean it "certainly" is for everyone else. Even if it is true, it doesn't mean it's worth destroying the planet for. Sometimes there are things people want that just aren't realistic. We don't let people dump their waste wherever they want just because it may be easier for them. We don't let people steal money just because they'd like to have more. Why should we let (and help fund) others' desires when they have adverse affects on us all?

^Understood...also understood that although I don't know what your alternative would be, that that would not be a discussion for this thread. As far as sprawl being bad goes, I don't think it's as much a matter of opinion as a matter of unsustainability (economic and ecological). I am willing to bet that you could prove it with a paper heavy on math and deep with analysis. Perhaps the same could be said about mass schooling, but I'm not so sure the alternatives are as easily identifiable in that case.

On my screen, the Eliot Ness is the only colorized portion of the picture.

No, you've just created NeverLand "Do I need to purchase one Rapid ticket or two?"

It's both. We would still have blight, but not as much of it, if new buildings further out weren't continuously being built when the economy isn't expanding. And jobs being located further from workers makes EVERYONE who has to commute a little poorer. The poorest just happen to both be the furthest from many of these jobs, and the least likely to be able to afford the extra expenses incurred.

I agree with much of what you say but I am not so sure I see a direct correlation between paying for sprawl and education. I can understand both (1) thinking the educational system is messed up and (2) having a debate over whether it should be publicly funded, but I don't see a comparison between sprawl and education. Sprawl serves the individual interests of some and is destructive to the country as a whole. Education (ideologically at the very least) serves everyone and improves the country as a whole.

So being selfish and not caring about what is good for the largest number of people (society, not a hypothetical concept) is not unhealthy? EDIT: Community and "working together" isn't always about "helping the other guy" (which is nice as well) but often times yields benefits for all involved. Read up on Cooperative Game Theory as to why I say this, and why our society has such a hard time following through on it in these days of over-individualism and selfishness.

I felt the choices were skewed towards Southwestern Ohio. Not to take anything away from UncleRando, but being from Cleveland, my top two choices would have been MayDay and KJP. Anyways, congrats UncleRando.

Vulpster took the words right out of my mouth. I think staunch individualism is extremely dangerous. It leads to mistrust and antisocial behavior. I for one love forced interaction. Once in a while it may be unpleasant, but it also can be rewarding and at the end of the day gives you a better view of how other people are and think. Without it, we may not be at risk for any unpleasant scenarios, but I also feel we'd be missing out on a big part of life. I equate it to people who move South to escape the cold weather, and then years later, miss the four seasons, snow at Christmas, and the excitement of the warm weather in Spring. Many decisions nowadays are made with instant gratification in mind.

Interesting...I've never heard anything about that but it definitely sounds like something that should be looked into.

That didn't sound snobbish to me, I always say the same thing (and especially about Italian food). I guess that probably makes me a snob, too. :) EDIT: Bravo is horrible Italian food in my book. The sauce tastes like something out of a can (I'm a red sauce snob, yes) and the prices are outrageous for fairly bland food. The only thing it beats out is Olive Garden (the McDonald's of Italian food). EDIT FOR ON TOPIC PURPOSES: I hope that this doesn't get built for the simple reason that it will simply put out of business stores already in existence closer to the city, further pushing retail options out into farmland unnecessarily. Of course, if it has chain restaurants like Bravo, it'll be a cold day in Hell before I eat there.

What downtime?

^And you'll have a nice long drive to the airport, and enjoy paying for all that long term parking while you're out of town.

Or bank robber types. EDIT: Page breaks can really kill a punch line (especially when it wasn't that funny to begin with).

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