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Don't say that...somebody out there will think "what a great idea"!

You were comparing "urban areas". My point is that I don't believe Cleveland's urban area has any higher crime than most cities' urban areas. For example, comparing to Columbus, if you use a tighter definition of urban area, you'd have to exclude many parts within the city of Columbus itself. If you use a little bit looser definition, you'd have to include many inner ring suburbs of Cleveland to compare to a larger subset of the city limits of Columbus. Either way, you can't just compare city limits if you're interested in how "urban areas" stack up. And I think if you do that, you find out that many different cities have similar problems. It's just that a lot of them can hide behind the statistics that spread their inner city crime out over a larger population number.

This was exactly my point above. Comparing city to city, yes, Cleveland will look bad. But compare metro areas and we don't look so bad. And also, comparing "urban areas" to "urban areas" we likely don't look so bad either, as places like Columbus would have some areas even within their city limits excluded as they aren't very urban, whereas Cleveland would have some inner ring suburban areas included. Assuming many metro areas have somewhat similar ratios of urban area to suburban area and urban crime to suburban crime, the Cleveland area's "urban area" must not be that bad compared to others based on the MSA stats that show us being 26th safest of the 100 largest metro areas. As I've said before, make Cuyahoga County the city of Cleveland just like Indianapolis did with Marion County and all of a sudden Cleveland would be statistically one of the safest cities per capita in the country, even if no crime patterns changed. For comparison, in 2014, Indianapolis had 151 homicides for a population of over 850,000. In 2013 (I couldn't find county stats for 2014) Cleveland had 86 homicides for a population of about 390,000 for a significantly higher rate than the "safer" Indianapolis. However, Cuyahoga County as a whole had 123 homicides that year for a population of over 1.26 million, a much lower rate than the city of Indianapolis, which takes up about 95% of Marion County.

If you compare "urban setting" to "urban setting" I think many cities have just as bad if not worse crime than the Cleveland urbanized area, including Columbus. If you compare city limits to city limits with other cities, it's another story, but we all know that different cities have greatly different levels of urbanity within and beyond their city limits. Are you talking about comparing cities or metro areas? You can't compare the city to other metro areas. If you're talking about the city limits, then yes, it's a problem. However, many other cities have the same problems in many areas of their own cities as well. It's just that more of the safer areas also fall within the city limits than you see in Cleveland due to the way the city was landlocked by older suburbs a long time ago. Comparing inner cities between different cities would reveal that many others have the same problems as Cleveland in many of their neighborhoods. If we're comparing metro areas, I believe Cleveland is somewhere around the average of all metro areas for crime. It surely isn't one of the most dangerous metro areas.

KJP, the grass really is greener on the other sided often times. We're not talking about another big city. We're talking about another neighborhood or a suburb of the same city. The difference in crime really can be night and day. It's no exaggeration. I wish it wasn't that way, but there clearly is a severe crime problem in many Cleveland neighborhoods. Denying that it is so isn't going to help solve it or trick people into thinking it's a safe area.

There is no such thing as a county income tax.

If we could replace Santana with a right handed bat I think we'd be a very good team.

Sure, we could use a great QB. But we have much bigger problems than that. Our defense looks pretty bad, and we have absolutely no running game. It's not like the old days when we couldn't run OR pass and would end each game with 150 yards of offense and a couple field goals. Josh McCown passed for 341 yards (inluding 2 TD passes) and we rushed for 39 yards. McCown isn't a great QB, but I believe he's good enough to do well with a good offense. A lot of times the difference between an average QB and a good QB is the team around them.

For the most part, but he still didn't do much when we needed him to. 6-13 and a fumble in that stretch is not very good. And we were only up 7-0 after the first TD. It's not like we went into the "prevent offense" at that point.

He hit on two of three deep balls he threw. I gave him credit for making great plays on those two, but he's not going to hit on those every game. I'm more worried about the three quarter stretch in between where he did next to nothing and cotninued to show he needs to learn to protect the ball. Even with those two bombs, he only threw for 173 yards. I'm not saying he played a bad game, but all of a sudden my Facebook feed was blowing up with people thinking he's once again the savior of the franchise, and that game was surely not deserving of that reaction. It was a mediocre performance at best (which is better than what he had seen out of him up to that point).

Our defense and special teams won that game. It also helped that we were able to run the ball effectively. Johnny Manziel did make two nice throws on those deep balls, but I think he still has a lot to prove. Take away those two throws and he was 6-13 for 62 yards. He really didn't do anything for the entire middle of the game.

I thought this was what the E. 9th Street extension was built for.

Can we maybe change the options for this poll? Like combine 8-9, 10-11, and 12+ into 8 or more, and then add 4-5, 2-3, and 1 or fewer at the bottom? It might spread the votes out better.

What an awful football team.

That sucks. I hadn't heard about them closing.

I agree with North Collinwood because of Waterloo, but also because of the quality of restaurants in the area. Grovewood Tavern is a great place, and there are a number of good places to go on 185th, from casual (Muldoon's, Chili Peppers) to trendy (The Standard) to upscale (Bistro 185). Also, I've heard that Scotty's has very good Italian food although I have never been there.

I really like the profile of this building (wide on one side, narrow on the other).

This location was always busy, and the one on the Warrensville Heights/Beachwood border does very well, so I don't think that's it. If nothing else, I think it probably has to do with (1) not wanting to be in a mall and pay the high rents and (2) being so close to a free-standing location (the one at Richmond and Harvard is only about 3 miles away and sucks in a lot of the Beachwood office lunch crowd now).

Didn't JR play a huge role during that 30-3 stretch? I know that's regular season, but I think it's indicative of the kind of continual upside we'll get with even more chemistry. And he had a huge game against the Hawks in the playoffs when we needed it.

A friend and I discussed that exact same idea at a previous job when one of the many collar county coworkers said something about living just outside of Cuyahoga County so they could avoid taxes but still reap metro benefits. We even went as far as to propose using the revenue to give breaks to companies to keep them from relocating outside of the county.

I think you're somewhat right, but I believe you're missing a piece of the puzzle when you say this. In theory, most people are worried about behavior, but I think their judgement of what constitutes bad behavior or how severe the bad behavior is is often partially tainted by the race of the person. We all know that, due to many factors beyond the scope of this discussion, there are correlations between race and socioeconomic status, but even beyond this, I believe that often times similar behavior between different races is interpreted differently. A group of middle school black kids playing basketball and occasionally arguing about a call and swearing here and there is looked at as being a serious problem of "thugs" and a "changing neighborhood" by many suburban people (I have heard people say these things about relatively minor problems). But get together a bunch of white middle school age kids who may swear and argue just as much, and people will just laugh it off as "stupid middle schoolers being annoying" or "teenage boys doing what they do" and not think of them as a threat like they do with the black teenagers.

Someone should have moved it then, not just deleted it. I read this forum every day and I didn't remember that there was a CIA thread since it hasn't been active for a while.

And the good starting pitching continued tonight.

Can we have Mo Williams play all time offense and Delly play all time defense if neither crosses half court?

Delly is awful. Sure he plays good defense and hustles and whatnot, but he's a complete liability on offense. He had a couple miracle games and then came right back down to Earth.