PigBoy

:? Since when does the federal government let anyone get away with a lower drinking age? Or do you mean more recently raised to 21 from 18 (i.e., held out longer)?

It's on the east side of St. Clair Street, between 1st and 2nd, I think.

I thought 5 inches of snow fell in Dayton at one point this winter... were you perhaps not around at the time, or am I wrong about it? I can't recall when it would have been; it has snowed often enough here in Wisconsin that I have trouble keeping track of my own weather, let alone the weather back home. Speaking of the newspaper's horror stories from last year, my horror story is that I (and several others) had to spend a few hours shoveling the freakin' street so that my dad could get his car to work. My parents run a retail store (if you ever want puzzles, it's the place to go :wink:), and on December 23, their biggest sales day of the year, staying home because of snow is not an option. ---- (Moving on...) Hey, smackem81, you're going to have to fight my sister for that house; she wanted it, too!

Thanks, guys! The trolley bus wires are great, but downtown Dayton could stand to lose a lot of the other wires. For starters, some kind of poles for the taffic lights might be nice. Ink, after reading that last post of yours, I reviewed my pictures to see what kind of wiring solutions (for the trolley buses) were visible. I noticed that Main Street between 4th and 5th (see the third pic from the bottom, for example) has the wires held the same way as your example by the baseball field. In all likelihood, that's because of that roller coaster "Flyover" thing in the middle of the street. But I also see the same kind of thing in one of the pictures of 4th Street and can offer no similar explanation for that. Every place else seems to have them on the wires strung across the street. Something else that stikes me as a little interesting--although probably not unusual in any way--is the way the wires are attached to the underside of the railroad overpass at the entrance to the Oregon District (a picture I didn't post, but you could probably see it in a ColDay photo somewhere). This stuff is interesting, and I'd never really paid close attention to it before. Ink, you should do a photo tour of Dayton's trolley bus wires!

Awesome! That looks like a nice viewpoint- closer and lower than what you see from Carew (and obviously without the Kroger Building itself blocking part of the view). The distortion is really cool, too... it's like you're seeing the curvature of the Earth!

There are already a lot of new threads in this forum at the moment, but I will go ahead and post this second installment anyway. I think everyone can keep up. :-) It's been more than a year since I collected lots of photos from downtown (except that crazy "corners" thing), so I thought I'd get some random new ones on sunny Thursday, January 12. Look at all those wires! What kind of 'scape? That kind! "Arc de Square" Back at ya. Until part 3, signing off from Woodland Cemetery.

I couldn't figure out what the story was with that building by looking in the windows (it just looked empty), so I'd be interested to know about it, too.

"Hidden history" like that is always fun to see. My favorites are the painted signs on the buildings, especially the really faded ones that you can walk by a million times before realizing that they're there.

Says you. I hear it the other way, too. Thing is, lots of people say "Ore-gahn" for the state as well, which an Oregonian will tell you is wrong, and by extension I always assume that these people pronounce any instance of "Oregon" in this way. I do it the other way, always saying it as the state is pronounced. One of those dialect things, I guess. Now to check the fridge for soda and cold cuts... :-D

Excellent work! Can't say I like the way that part of downtown has turned out.

The deal was that my sister and I would get the famous ColDayMan tour of Dayton on beautiful, sunny Thursday, but ColDay ended up having some precious meeting to attend! Not wanting to waste such a nice day, my sis and I went by ourselves to the Oregon District and downtown for some photos. (Other neighborhoods would be saved for a belated tour.) So here are random Oregon District pictures. Downtown photos will follow in another thread at some point. And then there will be a shorter third thread, too. Roar! It spins! My mom has one of these things! (But it's kept indoors.) Read it! Wheeee! A few shots out on Wayne Avenue. Maybe not part of what people consider the Oregon District, but it's technically within the neighborhood of Oregon, so to hell with you all! They're going in this thread! A little farther down 5th Street. Also in the Oregon neighborhood! Back to the more typical. ColDay later tells us that this church has been converted into a single family home! Is it summer already? You wish! End of Part 1.

Great collection! I really like those big rail yards for some reason.

I have often wondered about this, too. I vaguely recall a geology professor once mentioning that something about the geology of the south side is different and makes water less accessible, but I've never verified that (or attempted to). Even if that's true, the things Brewmaster said are undoubtedly a big reason, too.

Thanks, everyone! Ink, I agree about FWW (well, we all probably do), not only to close the gap but also to cut down on the highway noise. Not that I haven't been around there plenty of times before, but this time I especially noticed how noisy it is because of the traffic. ColDay, king and queen makes more sense than having two kings, but it would have sounded odd in the phrase I used. Maybe I should have said "monarchs of the Queen City." And I thought of mentioning the "P&G boobs," but then decided to be a bit more classy... this time. :wink:

^ Do they change the color regularly, and what colors do they use? I just noticed the lights are pink in my older photo. I like the green, too, especially because it's not a color seen elsewhere in the skyline.

Very nice! Those hidden fortifications are interesting. Did you get a little bag of shredded bills? :-)

On a dreary January day, just let the sun go down... Started with a trip to the top of Carew, but I didn't take many pictures there because I already have pictures in better weather. (See http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4068.0) But I thought I'd at least provide aerial updates on Government Square and Fountain Square. To summarize: dirt. By the way, one of you locals needs to get up there with a tripod on a day when the observation deck is open until 7. (Saturdays and Sundays, maybe?) I'll bet you could get some great evening shots. Anyway, on to the night skyline, which is the subject of this thread. Well, after one bonus street shot. Actually, let me go back in time to last February, because I don't think I ever posted these couple of photos. Returning to the present, the first stop is over Fort Washington Way. And then the Suspension Bridge. The kings of the Queen City. And a stop in Mt. Admas for its view. Peek-a-boo! And could I leave you without a panorama? Of course not. Click it for the big one.

That's interesting. I don't call anything a parkway unless it's actually named "_____ Parkway," and those are often a certain type of highway where trucks are not allowed and so forth. I didn't realize that "parkway" was used as a generic term.

I might say "highway" when saying something like "Route 4 is a state highway," but I probably wouldn't use "highway" generically for roads that aren't limited access. Speaking of which, I have another question: Route- pronounced "root" or "rout"? I think that was in the quiz, but I'm curious to know everyone's answers. I say "root," but I think the other pronunciation may be more common in Ohio.

Really cool! I'm glad you found those!

I'm sure that would scare the crap out of me, too.

Ah yes, that's the one!

Ah, better. Thanks!

There was a much more comprehensive dialect survey online a while ago. You can't submit results anymore, but there are great maps showing all the results. I'll try to find the link; it's bookmarked on my home computer but not on my laptop. In response to some of the other things mentioned here: It's breakfast-lunch-dinner. Supper is not in my vocabulary. I save money with a "q-pon", which is an admittedly strange pronunciation given the spelling of the word, but "coo-pon" just sounds ridiculous somehow. "I-deer"... well, I don't say that, but for some reason I do use the Massachusetts pronunciation of "aunt". I guess I wear "sneakers," although I have not had occasion to even use the word in quite a while. I eat "cold cuts"... until a recent thread here I didn't even realize that Midwesterners don't say "cold cuts". "Water fountain," not "drinking fountain". (How about "bubbler"?)

Let's see if this picture works... Based on the 2000 Census, percent below poverty by block group in Dayton (darker=greater; each data class covers about 10% except for the highest, which is from 60%-77%).