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..believe it or not they served that in my high school cafeteria down in Louisville. Thats where I heard of it first...and I didn't hear of it again until I moved to Ohio! That was served in my school, too! The fisrt I heard of it was when it was on the lunch menu one day in elementary school. As my friend and I went through the lunch line, for some reason there was a guy back toward the kitchen lying on a table. We joked that it was poor Johnny Marzetti, waiting to be butchered.

^ If yours is like mine, when it starts up there is a prompt to log in, with a dropdown "Server" list; from there I can choose Primary or Legacy database. Or if already viewing stuff, under the File menu is "Logout" and also "Disable auto-login"... fiddling with those might do the trick, if they exist. The only reason I suspect they might not exist is that I am still a subscriber for having previously paid for Keyhole, so it's possible I have access to some things that the masses don't. I hope those are available to everyone, though. For some reason when they updated the images a while ago, in some places the new images cover much less area, and instead of supplementing the old ones they just replaced them. So places like Dayton, Youngstown, Milwaukee, and others are not really covered. It would be a shame to not be able to see them!

From the DDN, 6/30/05: A retrospective article on the debate over I-675 and the highway's effects, nearly 20 years and (soon to be) 3 malls later. Express lane to progress By Amelia Robinson Dayton Daily News BEAVERCREEK | In its infancy, some saw Interstate 675 as a curse that would doom the center city economically as it tore a path through cherished neighborhoods. Others saw the highway proposed to improve access to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base as a blessing that would foster economic growth regionally and ease travel.

I paid $25 for a year's worth of Keyhole about half a year ago, and now it has evolved into this and become FREE! I want $12.50 back! :-) At least I got to have the luxury of using this newest version for a month or so before all you common scum were able to climb on board and make everything load more slowly. But seriously, it is great... if only they hadn't replaced the Dayton imagery with crappier coverage when they updated their database a while ago. In case anybody is wondering, it is still accessible, at least for me, by logging into the "Legacy Database" instead of the "Primary Database." That will also get you coverage for Youngstown and probably some other places that aren't covered in the new version. Oh, and to you rail transit fans, be sure to look at the transit layers that you can turn on!

FYI, Cincy people, Google Earth, with all the Google Maps images and many different overlays (including those 3D buildings I posted a while ago), is apparently a free download now. It's not as good for posting links in a guessing game like this, but for just browsing the images I'd say it's better than using the Google Maps site.

I read that article this morning and thought the headline was a bit odd. It doesn't say anything about bringing growth; it says it's bringing places to eat lunch for people who work nearby. By the way, in case anyone cares, the site looks like it's ready for construction soon.

Probably road construction. There's always road construction! Anyway, I'm not sure about the other people who mentioned that particular camera, but my post did specifically refer to the model as a digital camera. Minus two points for not paying attention! :bang2: In any case, I can't really give the requested advice on it. I don't have a filter (perhaps I should), and the bag I use is the same backpack that holds all my other camera crap. I don't know much about rechargeable batteries; I just bought some Energizer ones I saw at Best Buy. They seem to work pretty well, though the charger sometimes lies about being finished.

Don't worry, I was only referring to the speed with which the major projects seem to be progressing. No Cincinnati bashing intended. :-)

I rather like the one-ways; I find them easier to drive. I guess it's true, though, that they're not really necessary.

Everything takes so long in Cincinnati!

Cool, so there are three of us so far with that Fujifilm S5100. The rest of you should get on the bandwagon!

I wouldn't put Dayton in the square category. While it has a square, the square itself does not define anything; rather, I'd say the intersection it's at (3rd and Main) is more important. Although these days Dayton seems more and more like a main street kind of place. A few of your "unknowns": Beavercreek (my home)- Almost entirely a creation of suburbia; the several tiny rural villages that once existed within this area have little or no relation to the present city. Might as well cross it off from the list. Fairborn- Main street, I guess Kettering- Tempting to say "nothing," but you could make the case for intersection. Oakwood- Main street Urbana- Intersection (though practically it's more like a main street town) Sad to say, I am actually not familiar enough with the several other Dayton suburbs listed to make a judgment.

Sounds good to me. And I'd be quite happy to see parking lots along the river be built upon.

Regarding the trees... I don't think a treeless plaza like the one pictured in Milan is something that can work for a place like Cincinnati, or at least for Fountain Square. The one in the picture is nothing but an open space, but it looks all right, I think, because of the buildings surrounding it (based on that photo, anyway). Imagine that square with the 5/3 building in the background instead; I don't think that would be very attractive. I won't say that the particular use of trees in the proposal is necessarily the best, but in I say in general some trees are good as long as they're well-placed.

Jeez, is this thing being marketed as the Ultimate Solution™ that will single-handedly spark a downtown renaissance? Because lots of people making those comments seem to act like it is. Of course there are other problems, but it seems like people are expecting everything to be fixed by a snap of the fingers, and that this is the wrong way to snap the fingers. Do they think that there is some magic solution that could be effected if $42 million were spent on something else? "I demand free parking available every 100 feet, and I don't want to walk more than half a block to anything, and this money should be spent on surgically inserting a spine in me so I won't be afraid to go downtown!" On the lighter side, here's a fun sarcastic comment from that page: WE NEED MORE, BETTER, BIGGER SPORTS STATIUMS FIRST! SCREW THE DOWNTOWNTOWNERS, THOSE INNER-CITY KIDS IN OVER-THE-RHINE AND PRICE HILL... WE NEED REALLY GOOD STATIUMS SO THE BUNGELS AND REDS CAN PLAY BETTER. WHILE WE ARE AT IT WE NEED TO CUT SOME COPS AND FIREMEN SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT MONEY TOWARD SPECTATOR SPORTS TOO. WOO! WOO! GO REDS AND BUNGELS! SELL THE FOUNTAIN TO NEWPORT! --Monte Washburn, Reading, Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 9:01:00 AM By the way, I enjoyed your "replies," grasscat.

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I'd hazard that there are probably lots of neighborhood-level accents in the U.S., but most probably differ in much more subtle ways than they would in the UK. (Anyone who knows better, feel free to tell me how wrong I am.) In the case of Cincinnati, as others have suggested, you could probably at least identify varying degrees to which the speech in influenced by Appalachian dialects, and that is something you could map. Then, of course, you could compare it to all kinds of other spatially variable characteristics and see what matches up. 'Twould be very interesting... I wonder how much geographical comparisons and analysis the student in the posted article did in her study. By the way, what are we to make of that Cincinnati accent that sounds almost like the Philadelphia accent?

That's an interesting map, Jeff. I've seen it before, but other than following the lines, I don't understand what any of the symbols mean. It's interesting to note that while the Ohio River may not be much of a divide locally, it is definitely something of a dividing line regionally. I think a local map of Cincinnati-area speech (which may be something that has never been done) would be quite interesting, especially if you could compare today's patterns with those of perhaps a generation ago. Oh, and I concur on the Appalachian accent being quite common in Dayton. Invariably, it seems, if the local news has a story about something that happened in East Dayton and they're interviewing a neighbor or a bystander, that person will sound like they just got off the bus from Kentucky or West Virginia or something.

I know that probably not everyone here has a camera (or at least many people with cameras are not posting any pictures), but obviously many people do. So what are people using? My digital camera is a Fujifilm FinePix S5100--4 megapixels with a 10x optical zoom. It's a top seller at B&H, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if I've got the same one as someone else. (Before this camera I had a crappier one, which my parents lost.) I've also got a film SLR whose scanned pictures I sometimes use here. It's a Canon EOS Elan 7E (something like that). With it I have a 50mm f/1.8 lens as well as a telephoto zoom lens and a cheap wide angle zoom lens.

See, this is why we need maps. :-)

I bet if you placed people based on where they are from or where they grew up, as opposed to where they are now, you might then find the river to appear as more of a barrier. (Or maybe not; that's just a hypothesis.)

If there's an article about this now, and it's even one based only on some undergraduate project, does it mean that this is something that hasn't already been studied? Or was it just a slow news day? These kinds of things are always interesting when accompanied by maps. That way we get to see not only what the distinctive features of the dialect or accent are, but also their geographic extent and how they compare with other areas.

^Indeed. I get annoyed every time I walk around there. (Good thing that's not too often, I guess!)

Agree on points 1 and 3. Agree on point 2 as long as an "even distribution of trees" is not something that's going to block the view from everywhere. On point 4, I'd agree that less of a change in grade would be good, but I'd prefer having some steps everywhere over the current insurmountable walls along the whole of the 5th Street side and half the Vine Street side.

I was at the Reds game last night, and I was doing the same thing. Considering what was visible of Phase 1 over the top of the stadium, I could just imagine Phase 2 looming over the field. Here's a photo from last evening (5/28/05). There's more glass than in The_Cincinnati_Kid's photos from last weekend! I sure hope someone's keeping count of the panes...