PigBoy

The site linked here makes a distinction between "roundabouts" and "traffic circles"; I'd guess that's the basis for claiming the first roundabout.

I've always wanted to see something like those plans. Thanks very much for posting them!

But I wanna see what it looks like UNDER the river!

Whichever president it is, the house is better than the birthplace of President Hayes: (Not the best picture, but I think you can still tell what it is.) I can't think of any weird houses off the top of my head, so I guess I don't have any real contributions here.

These are numbers I remember wondering about in some previous discussion. Thanks for posting these graphs!

^ I'm the other way around. I like the orange lighting on the towers well enough, but I'd like lights on the bridge span that allow me to actually see it, especially if it's going to be any sort of interesting color. Maybe that's not possible for the cables since they're relatively thin, but I guess I'd basically like to be able to look at the bridge at night and see something more than two towers connected by some points of light.

I've never been fond of totally treeless plazas, but I agree that too many trees are bad. I think for a square like this most of the trees should be kept to the north and east edges (i.e. the edges that do not face streets), and they should be relatively small trees.

Along the lighting theme, I'd like to see some lighting that shows off the bridge itself better... the "necklace" lighting referred to in that article doesn't quite do the trick for me.

Very interesting, especially (to me) the list of major employers. Where'd you get all this information from?

Is this park something that will depend on those damn parking garages being built first?

I would gladly make some maps, but I wouldn't have a clue how to make them operational in any sense. And of course there's the issue of determining neighborhood boundaries... I've got Dayton's completely figured out and I know there are some good maps out there for a couple other cities, but so far I don't think anyone has found a complete Columbus or Toledo neighborhood map. So I guess I'm not good for much, but I wish I were. But Ronnie did resurface a couple weeks ago, so if he hasn't disappeared again you could pester him about it. :whip:

Yay Youngstown!

Heh. It didn't end up going anywhere when I brought up the same basic idea five months ago, either.

Who's trying to tell anyone what they can or can't build?

"He said the exhibits will include an exploration of modern scientific methods." I have to wonder if that means they are going to try to show why science is wrong and doesn't work.

^ I agree. Unless the residents want to pay for their own sound walls.

I think your posts from the archives should include Grampa Simpson-like narratives. "Now, my story begins in 19-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" 'cause that Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles..." "The important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time..."

^ Don't give up now, there are only six county seats left!

Hmm... I joined the forum too late to see this thread. I am Andy, 22 years old. (But a number of poeple really do call me Pig Boy, or just "Pig".) My dad was an Air Force officer (retired in 1995), so my childhood had a few moves in it. I was born at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base hospital, lived in Beavercreek only until age 1, then we moved to northern Virginia till '89, then Mililani, Hawaii until September 1991, then back to Beavercreek. I am six days away from graduating with a BA in Geography from Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware, Ohio. In August I'll be moving to Madison for an MS in Geography from the University of Wisconsin. (I shall do my best to return to Ohio afterward.) That's pretty much my life story.

I guess there never was a thread on this, but apparently it's about done now, so here we are. It says "new" Old Court House, which of course is not to be confused with the old "new court house" that doesn't exist anymore. Old Court House to reopen By Benjamin Kline Dayton Daily News DAYTON | If justice is blind, she's missing a prettier view this week. Montgomery County's "new" Old Court House, a pristine Athenic temple in the heart of an aging Babylon, is reopening after a year's restoration, inside and out. For more info, click the link www.daytondailynews.com

Groovy. What I want them (not the Homebuilder's Association, obviously... just a generic "them") to do is to not close the park at dusk, so that we may stick around longer for taking night photos!

^ That's an interesting idea; it can probably be done, but I'm not enough of an expert to know how other than to buffer the downtown with circles as I did, but trying different radii until it includes the right amount of actual land area. However, I don't know how relevant it would really be to downtown. Because you're limited in the directions you can move outward, you'd obviously have to go out a longer distance in those directions than if you could go out in all directions. And if you're including areas 5 miles away in Cleveland but only 2 miles away in Cincinnati and Columbus, for example, I'm not sure you'd really be comparing the same thing. Certainly it's apples to apples in terms of total population within a given area, but at least in theory you'd get to a point where the included Cleveland neighborhoods are simply too far away to have as strong a tie to downtown as they do in the other cities where only closer neighborhoods are included. That said, going 5 or 10 miles out as I did probably doesn't say much about downtown either. In any case, the way I see it, the numbers for Cleveland shouldn't be seen as some kind of misrepresentation, but rather perhaps just for the "wow" factor of how high Cleveland's numbers might be if the lake weren't there as a barrier. But along the lines of your suggestion, something I think would be interesting would be to find the magic land area number where the Cleveland and Cincinnati populations match. Based on my list, I guess if you divide the land areas in half for the 2-mile and 5-mile radius (since only about half of those circles' areas are land for Cleveland), the matching point would be somewhere between the two, since Cincinnati's population is still more than double Cleveland's at the 2-mile radius but not at the 5-mile radius. That range would be about 6.3 to 39.3 square miles, probably near the lower end. I have my doubts as to whether any of what I posted above actually came out as coherent, but hopefully I'm making a bit of sense.

And here I thought that maybe "Worthington Square" referred to the central square in Worthington that it's a little hard to tell even exists.

All right, I finally got my quality GIS time. I've calculated populations based on census blocks (the level of finest geographic detail there is) at a 1, 2, 5, and 10 mile radius. The downtown points I used are the "symbolic" centers- Fountain Square in Cincinnati, the state capitol in Columbus, and Public Square in Cleveland. Bearing in mind that these numbers are now five years old... 1 mile radius. Cincinnati gains here because of its small CBD, meaning that much of OTR and the West End is within this distance. However, that probably means that despite a rising "downtown" population, the current population at this distance may actually be smaller now due to loss in the adjacent neighorhoods. Cleveland probably suffers due to the fact that Public Square is not really the geographic center of downtown, and because of what appear to be other large non-residential areas nearby. (The lake doesn't really come into play at this radius.) Cincinnati - 12,925 Columbus - 5,325 Cleveland - 5,600 2 mile radius. From here on out, Lake Erie takes up nearly half (definitely less than half, though) of the areas for Cleveland. Cincinnati - 62,862 Columbus - 40,065 Cleveland - 24,511 5 mile radius. Columbus nearly catches up with Cincinnati; Cleveland lags because of the lake. Cincinnati - 263,958 Columbus - 256,498 Cleveland - 195,610 10 mile radius. Notice how Cleveland now has the highest population despite this being probably 40-45% water area! Cincinnati - 721,227 Columbus - 711,302 Cleveland - 748,532 Conclusion: the words Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland are the exact same length when typed in this font! :lol:

Can you guys describe the geographic patterns of which areas are seeing most of these projects and which areas have thus far received little such attention? I'd have to look up every address to figure this out for myself, but I'm sure many of you can describe it off the top of your head.