PigBoy

These actually do show up in a couple of ColDayMan's photos. Here's one that's on its own pole: (That is ColDayMan's, right?)

No, that's for a different museum. This one's just Genesis. :-D

I must admit to having no idea what you're talking about... I am intrigued.

Wow, very interesting! I'd had no idea that Dayton came close to losing all that.

Interesting. Looks like a lot of parking lots, though. I guess at least that Vine St. would mostly have buildings fronting it.

Awesome! Is there something on that site currently?

If the Bertrand Goldberg document from 1966 is what you're looking for, as opposed to the 1930s plan (or are they approximately the same thing?), I found a reference on the web to this, if it's even the right document: Burns-Jackson Project: Bertrand Goldberg Associates. "Burns-Jackson: A Study for Renewal." September 1966. [Wright State University, Dunbar Special Collections, MS-142, Burns-Jackson Project, Box 1, folder 27]. So if that's it, get thee to Wright State!

Cool, I'd already forgotten about this.

(I can't remember if there was a thread on this at any point, because it's not a new story.) I don't know if there's much to say, but I'll just toss this out there. From today's Dayton Daily News: Going condo Big city, coastal strategy makes appearance in Dayton market DAYTON | The plan to transform the Oregon Place Apartments, formerly called Dayton Towers, to The Metropolitan condominiums is quickly progressing. The complex's new owner, Bayview Dayton Towers LLC of Coral Gables, Fla., will send out letters to Oregon Place tenants Monday detailing redevelopment plans for the 206-unit building and asking whether they are interested in purchasing their apartment. Tenants have 90 days to purchase a unit at discount prices. In June, the remaining units will be up for sale to the general public.

I think the lower part of the building is too short relative to the upward "swoosh"; to echo others, I think it would look better if it were taller. Nevertheless, I'd be happy to see this built, and starting in June would be super!

Fascinating!

I am on this thing because someone told me to be, but I don't think I've quite gotten the point of it yet. You find friends, join groups, etc., but then what? What are people doing that takes up so much time? Just sending messages and such?

Of interest for historical population numbers: the "larget cities" list for census years from 1790 to 1990. http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027.html 1840 is quite interesting. Cleveland, Dayton, and Columbus all had nearly equal populations- just about 6,000 each.

^ Well, now, that's hardly "Ohio in general" then, is it? :wink: But seriously... interesting poll numbers. Can't say I'm surprised at the non-recognition of Columbus. This reminds me of one measure of how well a city's name is recognized. I haven't found this online anywhere, but if you look at the Associated Press style book, in the section on datelines, there is a list of cities for which it is not necessary to give the state in the dateline of newspaper articles. For Ohio, I'm pretty sure it's just Cleveland and Cincinnati. I can't really remember a lot of the list, but I don't think there's anything surprising on it, though I recall being a bit suprised by a few cities that were not on the list. There's also a list for international cities that don't need the country name following them.

^Of course, Columbus still has a ways to go. You still have to say "Columbus, Ohio" for people to know what you're talking about. I think part of Ohio's problem is that it gained such a reputation for being boring, dirty, or whatever, that it is now accepted as a given that Ohio is crappy and not worth paying attention to. Hence to many people this is just another state somewhere in the middle of the country, and they are simply ignorant of the fact that this is one of the "large" states. But enough talk. I say we start slapping people who confuse Ohio and Iowa (along with people who misspell Cincinnati, of course).

There are a couple of old books on Cincinnati that I keep meaning to check out from the library. One is called "Illustrated Cincinnati" (or something like that) and is from 1875, I think. I can't remember what the other one is, just that it's also old. Maybe one of these days I'll actually get around to looking at them.

^ Yes, after several years perhaps we'll be seeing such new headlines as: Congress allocates $2 million for Brent Spence Pile of Rubble Mess of concrete and twisted steel lying in river bed is carrying far more vehicles than it was designed for, says transportation spokesman

The cycle of sprawl and highway construction is causing me to hate the northern Columbus area with a passion. Maybe the 161/270 interchange rebuild truly is necessary (I don't have much experience with it), but it sure seems to be a direct result of all the crap being built in that area. I'm happy that my tax money can make life more convenient in New Albany. :roll:

If I may get excessively local and do some of the Dayton suburbs... Fairborn, as discussed recently in another thread, is a combination of the names of Fairfield and Osborn, two villages that merged in 1950. Kettering was "named for its most outstanding citizen" when it incorporated from Van Buren Township in 1952. Xenia, in the words of the city website, was named thus: "[Joseph C.] Vance [who had surveyed and laid out the town, then bought the site] called a town meeting to discuss possible names. The committee had considered several suggestions without reaching any decision. Then the Rev. Robert Armstrong proposed the name 'Xenia', meaning hospitality in Greek, because of the fine hospitality extended to him in this friendly community. When a tie developed, Laticia Davis, wife of Owen Davis, was invited to cast the deciding ballot. She plunked for 'Xenia'." Huber Heights is named for its developer. Bellbrook is named for one of its founders, Stephen Bell. Miamisburg, Moraine, Riverside, and Beavercreek are of course named for geographical features (I assume). If anyone knows anything about other places around Dayton (in particular West Carrollton or Vandalia), I'd love to hear it!

Bear in mind when I say this that I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about, having been to Cleveland exactly once in recent memory (I know, I know... I'll get back there soon, I promise), but when walking around Public Square I recall pretty much no feeling that I was in any sort of grand public space. It just felt like a few little plazas. I like the idea of the four different quadrants, but they do seem a little too separate to me. Not that I have any suggestions for what would make it better.

Thanks for the update, grasscat. They say they're adding another lane for the exit from northbound 71, but I wonder if they'll be changing the traffic light there, too. (I suppose the cycle will change since the light for the southbound entrance and exit will be eliminated.) That exit backs up like a mofo. Occasionally I am stupid enough to use it, such as a couple weeks ago on a Saturday afternoon, when it was backed up for about a mile. I'd hate to see it at rush hour during the Christmas shopping season!

Yeah, the siding kinda makes it look like crap. dfly has a couple pictures of the same thing in the Developer is building along river thread, by the way.

Maybe, for the northbound lanes, they can build a bridge over the bridge! Mmmm... Paddock Road bridge sandwich.

I missed this the first time around... sounds cool. I can't find any new information on it. Now, if something would just happen to a couple parking lots on the downtown edge of the river, everything would be wonderful!

I have another update. This story is getting interesting. Flo Thompson of this article is the local pain-in-the-ass who opposes pretty much everything. Maybe she's actually right this time... or maybe it's all pointless. Group wants referendum on Greene tax deal $186M project hinges on abatement, developer says By Amelia Robinson, Dayton Daily News BEAVERCREEK | Developers of a $186 million entertainment and retailer complex said it is too soon to say what will happen if a group's effort to block the city's participation in a $14.8 million incentive plan is successful. www.daytondailynews.com