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And here is the rendering.... Glad to see they are preserving and restoring Duncarrick.

Advisory board donated $1M Commitment helped secure a $60 million investment, one of eight Kroc centers to be built around the country By Margo Rutledge Kissell Saturday, February 17, 2007 From the start, the Salvation Army of Dayton was a strong contender in its quest to obtain millions of dollars to build a Kroc center in north Dayton. "In all corners, they were strong," said Major Hugh Steele of the charity's eastern territory headquarters in West Nyack, N.Y., which would manage the accounting for the project. Dayton is one of eight communities in the eastern territory to receive approval. However, only five — Dayton, Philadelphia, Boston, Staten Island, N.Y., and Massena, N.Y. — have already leaped the final hurdle to move into the design phase. The Dayton command's strong staff leadership and excellent advisory board support stood out to Steele, especially when last August the 34 advisory board members pledged a combined $1 million of their own money in the charity's fundraising campaign. Read full article here: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/02/16/ddn021707krocinside.html

Salvation Army meets goal, will build Kroc community center in Dayton By Margo Rutledge Kissell Saturday, February 17, 2007 Some said it couldn't be done, but the Salvation Army of Dayton has surpassed its goal of raising $6 million locally in order to receive $66 million from the international charity to build and operate a Kroc community center in north Dayton. Ground will be broken in September on the proposed five-building campus at Keowee and Webster streets, with a target completion date of May 2009, said Jeffrey Ireland, past chairman of the charity's advisory board who co-chairs the fundraising committee. The complex will have educational, worship and recreational facilities as well as a women and children's shelter. Read full article here: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/02/17/ddn021707kroc.html

Marge Schott, July 1994: "There's no way I see baseball coming to Dayton, no way at all," the Cincinnati Reds owner said Thursday afternoon at a press gathering to announce the boxing show she is co-promoting Saturday night at the University of Cincinnati's Shoemaker Center. "Major League Baseball (MLB) will not allow a team in Dayton. The league was against a plan like that once before and I don't see it being any different this time. "If it's up to me, I can't support a move like that. It would be crazy. From a business standpoint, it would be devastating. This year, I've lost $9 million . . . no, make that $11 million in baseball. "So why would I do something that would take more support from our club? The Dayton people are part of our fan base. They're good fans. I don't want to lose them. I won't lose them. "So, no, I don't see baseball happening in Dayton." In fact, the territorial rights were waived by the Reds while Marge Schott was serving her suspension. While it sounds like John Allen (Reds COO) had supported minor league baseball in Dayton, IMO he also saw it as a good PR opportunity for the Red, by requiring that any team in Dayton have some minority ownership. While certainly a noble thing to require, I think it had more to do with improving image, given the poor race-related press the organization had been receiving. Although you keep saying that Dayton loses by not having SSI as the owner of baseball in Dayton, Sports Spectrum and Rock Newman were proposing bringing a single-A team to Trotwood. I'd take a single-A team downtown any day over a single-A team in a stadium in the middle of a parking lot out in Trotwood. But at any rate, I think everyone can agree that minor league baseball in Dayton has been hugely successful and the residents of Dayton and the Miami Valley have more than done their part by selling out every game the Dragons have played in Dayton (496 consecutive sellouts).

Not that I'm aware of, because it just would have been a waste of time...just like what I'm doing right now.

As always, great job Jeff. I've actually been waiting on this thread for awhile, since these are adjacent to my neighborhood and I drive by them pretty frequently. I knew there had to be quite a history there.

How was it a roadblock? The courts didn't buy it and neither did anyone else. The district court was not persuaded otherwise by Plaintiffs' reference to a purportedly racist comment made by the Mayor of Dayton. According to Ehrenreich, the Mayor at one time asked Ehrenreich whether BAT would consider dealing with Dayton without the involvement of Newman. The Mayor explained by saying: "[W]ell, [Newman] called me a racist and I resent that." J.A. at 1028. The district court determined that this statement constituted neither direct nor indirect evidence of racial animus. Rather, the court wrote: "t gives rise to a finding that Mayor Turner did not like Newman." Id. at 610. The district court thus rejected Plaintiffs' argument that the Mayor's resentment of Newman (for calling the Mayor a racist) was sufficient to give rise to an inference that the Mayor himself was emoting racist sentiments. As the district court correctly suggested, it is not unlawful to resent someone for the disparaging remarks he or she makes. I'm not really sure what you're reading. The City of Dayton and the Reds were both defendants in the case. And they won. But enough of this crap...it's getting totally off topic... The Reds said if Dayton wanted a minor league team, it would have to be a Single-A team. Guess what, that's what Dayton got. It's really as simple as that.

What are you saying? They were able to achieve all three of those things that you quoted. I think it would have been more appropriate for you to quote this... In order to waive the Reds territorial rights to permit a downtown minor league baseball team, at least the following conditions need to be met by August 15, 1997 and until then the Cincinnati Reds will work exclusively with the Downtown Dayton Partnership: An agreement to purchase an acceptable Midwest League Team (A level) and relocate it to Dayton by April 1999 . . . . Funding commitments in place by August 15, 1997, which would enable the Dayton community to proceed to build a minor league stadium which meets or exceeds all baseball requirements and which would be ready for play by April, 1999. A commitment to work together to market the proposed minor league team in conjunction with the Cincinnati Reds. The ownership group of the proposed team would require Reds and all appropriate baseball authorities approval. Our organization, and all of professional baseball supports diversity in ownership, employment and other matters. We require that equal opportunity be exercised in the selection process.

^ Oh, I'm sorry I forgot you knew everything, C-Dawg. :-) http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/06a0816n-06.pdf

The territorial rights to the Dayton market are owned by the Reds...The Reds will only allow a Cincinnati farm club in Dayton....Only a single A team work because of existing commitments with minor league teams...Also, Reds don't want to compete too much with Dayton team over fan so single A works out best for this....Dayton gets single A team...end of story

Although a little before my time in Dayton, I do have a t-shirt from one of his campaigns and it has the scales of justice on one side of his name and a baseball on the other. Minor league baseball in Dayton was definitely his pet project.

This conversation reminds me of one local guy who would call into whatever radio talk show he could and would go on and on about how the City of Dayton needed to build a basketball arena on Dave Hall Plaza so they could attract an NBA team. He was so passionate about it and would get so worked up about it, he probably gave himself a heart attack about it.

Rob, if you haven't been to Muncie in a while, it may be worth a trip to check it out again. Although downtown still bears the many, many scars of the 60's and 70's urban renewal projects, they have done an outstanding job renovating the historic buildings on Walnut Street. I believe the street was closed off and was a pedestrian mall at one time, but has since been opened back up to traffic. There really seems to be a nice mix of nice dining with outdoor patio seating, loft apartments, and specialty shops. Although right now the revitalization efforts seem to be focused on that one street, I did notice that smaller efforts seemed to be spilling over into the surrounding blocks. Although there is still a long way to go, it would be remiss not to commend Muncie on the recent effort they have made to bring back downtown.

Continued from Muncie, Indiana [Part 1]

Muncie, Indiana County seat of Delaware County in east central Indiana Home of Ball State University Birthplace of the Ball Corporation The police force includes Officers Erik Estrada, LaToya Jackson, Jack Osbourne, Trish Stratus, and Jason Acuña (from the short lived reality series Armed and Famous) The city was studied as part of the famous Middletown Studies Wikipedia

Very nice and welcome.

Here's an example in Greensburg, Indiana

The numbers seem to suggest that Dayton could support a professional team (other than MLB), at least on paper. (Related article here) Past support of minor league teams in Dayton has been pretty lousy, but I think that may have more to do with the owners' business plans (or a seemingly lack of). But I guess the Dragons have shown that a first rate sports operation in Dayton can be successful, so who knows, maybe an NBA team could make it...but I think there are other cities that could do a better job with luxury boxes and stuff like that.

I think it is safe to say this isn't happening...

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Lafayette, Indiana As of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 56,397. The city is the county seat of Tippecanoe County. Neighboring West Lafayette, just across the Wabash River, is home to Purdue University. Largest employers: Purdue University, Alcoa (a producer of aluminum extrusions and tubes), Caterpillar Large Engine Division (producer of large diesel and natural gas engines), Fairfield Manufacturing (producer of gears), Wabash National (world's largest manufacturer of semi-truck trailers), Subaru of Indiana Automotive (producer of Subaru and now, Toyota vehicles), Eli Lilly and Company-Tippecanoe Laboratories (pharmaceuticals), The Lafayette Life Insurance Company (insurance and annuity services), Tate & Lyle (manufacturer of Splenda and other sweeteners). Birthplace of Axl Rose

Yes, I'm still trying to get the rest of my Indiana pictures from last fall posted..... Delphi, Indiana Delphi is a city in Carroll County, Indiana, United States. The population was 3,015 at the 2000 census. The city is the county seat of Carroll County Wikipedia Like Logansport, there is a very high hispanic population (over 12%) due to the large farming operations and meat processing plants in the area. Seemed to be a quiet little town.

I submitted letters to my Representative, Senators, and the Copyright Royalty Board. Hopefully something can be done to save streaming radio for college stations.

Very nice....it's hard to imagine that walk getting old.

^ Although it does sound like any future plans (by whoever ends up owning it) will have to include changing over to refining Canadian sour crude.