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Stunning. Cincinnati is such a beautiful city. Thank you for sharing.

This is a shot of the Wright brothers coming home to Dayton at its train station, 1909.

Hot damn, you got this evening's sunset. Nice shots, PigBoy!

Yes, the citzens here are pretty hard on the city for the most part. When we make the tops of job loss, most dangerous and foreclosure lists, it will compound bad news. Heck, even this thread underscores the situation. But somehow, I can imagine it much worse. My view in a nutshell: Job loss here is primarily due to the cut back in the blue-collar worker. We are going to bleed this way until most of these jobs are gone to the lower waged countries until capitalism balances out global economy. Most dangerous isolates itself to certain communities in the city, but tarnishes it as a whole. Foreclosures is compounded due to appraisals put through the roof and predatory lenders. As long as we have WPAFB as an anchor of technology, we have the potential to bring more technology based jobs here. So this is why it is so important for our leaders here to do what they can to use Teradata to start up the area TechTown in Webster Station. What a homerun that would be.

Maybe we can have them adjust the site's colors a bit?

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The last structure on this lot was razed yesterday.

Thank you, Chas. I really wasn't planning on rehabbing becoming a second job. But when you purchase an old house and it needs work, you have two choices: you or someone else will do the work if you want to keep your homeowner insurance company happy. So I guarantee if you buy a fixer upper, some amount of work will come naturally from yourself. It simply starts with being able to paint or hammer something, which is quite elementary. How much work you do will be based on how much time you can give and possible financial incentives. Of course there are days I wish I was a renter again. ;)

I also want to add, the shingles preserved the wood tongue and groove "106" siding very well. It made for easy scraping. Didn't have to heat gun the house like my Adams St. property. Almost all of the front I was able to scrape to bare wood. I had Requarth Lumber mill the replacement siding to match, because today's 106 siding is different from the 106 siding they milled 1880s. :|

I forwarded the link to this thread to someone who is relevant in this matter. Maybe it will make a difference. Your point in making the view from the blvd of Park Dr. better is being over looked and should be considered. Thank you, Jeffrey. Outstanding work here.

Thanks for the comments. Yes, Jeffrey. Those be asbestos-cement shingles with a tar paper underlayment. Since they used ring-shanked nails for the shingles, it made for a much more difficult removal. I wondered if it was worth pulling all the nails that remained, or just sink them the rest of the way and avoid the hole it left. I guess that would be something for someone to contemplate prior to removing these kind of shingles. Anywho, they look to have been on there since WWII or so. They went on after the exterior steps were added and the east addition was added, and before the kitchen was redone. We know this because the original window in the kitchen was patched in with replacement shingles. Records don't really date much for the house when modifications were done.

I think you asked there where this picture was taken. Not sure if you're familiar with this area, or even Dayton in general. Here's a little map:

This house, Jeff hilighted, has a brick-lined tunnel that extends from behind a finished wall in the basement partially out toward the Morton/Hickory intersection and stops. Doesn't really go far, maybe 10 feet and is sealed. People have speculated it was part of the slavery and underground railroad era or something to do with prohibition. I have only seen it once. This house was being worked on over the last summer, but I'm not sure what the current plans are for it now. The front of the house has settled so bad that the porch overhang on the picture window have a very noticable lean back on them. I'm rummaging through some of Jeff's old Dayton threads and just commenting on whatever I think I know something about. :)

Cliburn Manor, DMHA owned Section 8 housing which sits behind the pictured houses here is slated to be razed. When that happens is anyone's guess, but the idea is soon. Once having Seeley's Ditch in their backyard, these houses will unfortunaely be looked at for removal in the renewal plan. This is feasible because they are currently outside the South Park Historic District's protection. I think the 2 brick cottages here have been offered to be moved if this happens.

Good stuff.

A little preface: I have lived in the Historic District South Park in Dayton for nearly nine years. I purchased a double on Adams St in Dec 97, living in one half and renting out the other. That got me prepared for this Oak St project. 3 months before my wife and I were to marry June 2004, we bought 313-315 Oak St. We immediately planned returning it to a single family it once was long time ago. It was planted between two city subsidized rehabs from 2002, so we figured it would be a worthy investment. I was not very good with the camera as I should have been like I was with my double on Adams. I just wanted to get the work done. So here is an exterior renovation tour. Since I don't blog like This Old Crack House, I would share a couple photos here. Besides, this place has more traffic than a start up blog. :wink: January 2004 About to buy. April 2005 Interior work starts. October 2005 Asbestos starts to come off. November 2005 ... December 2005 ... filthy place. We had this pressure washed prior to the painting started. September 2006 That's right. No sprayer. Ugh. December 2006 This primer, base color at 75%. I have yet to get the final coat on, but most of the white trim is painted final coat, as are the doors. I have to replicate the swan decor and gingerbread like stuff to finish the porch. We'll see if the winter here will give me a few nice days. How's your German? From a piece of makeshift insulation crammed in an attic crevice, the name August Eichenlaub, original home owner/builder, and date was found on what we can tell as an old German Catholic Newspaper address label. Through census records, he came from 122 Cass St in 1880 (which may have burned down prior to 1887) in the Oregon District. He would move back to 116 Cass St by 1910, leaving the house to his children, we think. These houses are no longer there on Cass St. His last name is also written on the back of the mantle. Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps (progression). We are not sure what the single story building was that extended off the back of the house. It was removed between 1918 and 1950 and the NE porch became an addition. Today as best as I can sketch. When we filed for work permits, we picked the address 315 Oak St instead of the original 313 number by accident. 50/50 chance, and we got it wrong. It wasn't until later we realized the error. It's still reversible, but a hassle. For more pictures of indoor renovations are here. I'm still restoring the original trim on the first floor. The second floor original trim was mostly gone when we bought it. I tried to emulate the pediment/farm-house style trim where we had no trim for. I hope you enjoy. http://www.kevinjmoran.com/315/ Porch Renovation: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14576.msg235516.html#msg235516

I still feel that unless some more higher paying jobs comes to the Dayton area to replace the manufacturing jobs lost with Delphi and GM, retail and food will not be sustained. In turn, no business at the Greene will be able to employ and pay the outrageous rent there for a long period of time. IMHO

You bring good news, PrfctTimeOfDay. As someone who lives close by, I love watching progress here which was long over due. This article doesn't say, but I assume this is the spot north of Burger King. There is one building left on that lot that for some reason was freshly painted over the summer.

When I was much younger, about twenty years ago, my father took us to the Air Force Museum maybe twice a year. A lot of the photo's and being able to touch the planes physically, and sometimes sit in them left quite an impression on me. But there was something else they had at the time that little paid attention to. They had two glass cases at the top of the steps above the old in the welcome area above the plastic model section. In these cases was their UFO stuff. I'm not sure whatever happened to them, if anything, cause I have not been there for almost twenty years. But I'm a sceptical about all this Hangar 18 stuff. Calvin said something to the effect of "I think the best sign that there is intelligent life out there is that none of it has tried to contact us."

Damn. Well, I'm kicking myself for not publicizing it here. The turn out was considered a success. About 450 attendees in 5 hours. I got to take the tour with the other volunteers on Sunday. I wish I brought my camera. Sometimes you forget all the little gems around the neighborhood such as South Park that still exist through the craziness the sixties and seventies did. As I have heard them called, and I understand the case, the single-story cottages that pepper the neighborhood were called Slider cottages. That is where I got the information that Slider was a last name of the landlord that owned most of these cottages (hince the name Slidertown). He, or she, catered to low-income and kept the area a bit depressed. Along comes Patterson who builds his NCR factories at Brown, Stewart and Main. Punks called the Slidertown boys (pict below) would leave him with broken windows in his factories. So to alleviate the problems, he started giving them projects with beautificating the greens in the neighborhood for money and incentives, integrating some management possitions among the labor works that came from NCR and changed the name to South Park. In doing this, you can see a lot of incredible houses next to a somewhat non-descript cottage. South Park is a mismatch of architecture. Just drive up Park Blvd. You have a gorgeous 3-4000 sqrft victorian next to 500 sqrft cottage.

South Park had their tour Saturday in Dayton. I had someone ask me about the name Slidertown as I was posted to help out at one of the houses.

Holy Trinity is the name of the church. Never been in it. As far as I know, the only Roman Catholic church in Dayton to have a mass in Spanish(Hispanic). I came accross this book online that mentioned Paul L Dunbar lived at 1608 E Fifth St, but I never had the chance to look for the house/building specifically. It should be right around here. Here's the site: http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/daav/chap4.htm It's reference marked 74.

Thanks for sharing this, Jeff. I'm suprised not to see the Bossler Mansion or maybe I missed it. All of Dayton's historic districts have uphill battles. Doing what we can to save what is left with what we have.

I wondered the same thing. http://www.gccc.com/usaccc_b.aspx?id=186

Good call, <b>big_c</b>!