Toddguy

There really is nothing to say...it is just a damn shame.

Y'all are something else on here today! lol.

🍆🙃😸 Why don't we have a skyscraper emoji? Like they used to have at places like skyscraperpage...like the smiley face that grows into the Chrysler building? And agree with everyone, this tower is so...fulfilling. So many years(decades)to get another 100 meter plus tower...and now we have 2 under construction and Market Tower likely happening as well...with another decent proposal in Harmony Tower(which I really want to happen because of the location, height and design.) Such a good time for Cbus right now. Thanks everyone for the wonderful pic updates! *My 93 year old father recently took another drive all the way down High from Clintonville through downtown and was really surprised by the size of this building. He can remember the area in the 1930's so the change since then must seem amazing.

Well I was not sure about it but I thought they were going after those credits. I can't think of any others though. Too bad a plan for Harmony Tower is not up-then they could go for them too. I really want that one.

They are using them for armed robberies...quickly scooting in, robbing people, and them quickly getting away. Hopefully this is a temporary measure as they need to come up with a much more comprehensive approach to crime, which is soaring it appears in Cbus. I have a feeling it is more about the crime and less about "hazardous or dangerous use" of the scooters in general. No area can remain vibrant and successful with growing numbers of bold violent crimes occurring. This part is JMO of course. I do hope they get the problems under control(not just in the SN but in the city overall) and the scooters can come back.

The 15 story Mondrian on West Broad is also apparently going after them-probably why they raised the height to 15 floors.

Apparently not by much. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/09/16/ohio-set-admit-855-displaced-afghans/8370640002/ Cleveland and Akron will get 435 out of 855-just slightly over half. I have no idea of why Cincinnati is so relatively low. And I think we should be getting more than 855.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree. You think the design is good(rom the one render we have available)-I don't. You think it is appropriate for the site-I don't. You are fine with the comparisons to certain other cities-I am not. And that is ok. So we are really not going to get anywhere with discussing this further. We just respectfully disagree. I do wonder exactly what the blowback from the commission and the residents was against the first design-was it reasonable or unreasonable? I guess we will never know. I am fine with what we are getting. I hope for much more density along Parsons and other major corridors and in other appropriate areas as the years go by.

I guess if they are saying it will be 410 feet, then that is what is should be. I wonder if someone could reach out to OSU to determine where that 410 foot height comes from? I wonder if the "fin" that has OSU on it is the difference in height?

If only!!! Those things are hideous. If they can/are allowed to, they should. Those are horrific eyesores especially in very urban areas.

Ok so now you are here....so what do you think of(what we know of, including the one rendering on CU)of the original 99 unit five floor proposal on the Frebis site? What do you think of the render? Was it too much for the site? Should we push for things like it for Parsons and other corridors-and how best to get our voices heard? I think personally they should take the ugly 99 unit proposal and put it along South High right against Pearl just out of the clutches of German Village-just for spite.

Will somebody else please post in this thread so I do not have to see my name beside it for another two damn years? thanks.

yeah I know, but I do not think that houses on one entire acre is exactly "maximizing population density" and I still see it as a missed opportunity and now as I noted above you can get. off. my. case! *paranoia intensifies* 😝 * I just now noticed that I moved up to a World Trade Center! YAY!

Take a pic from Rising Park(and no you do not have to be in it). Or just any old pic of the town, exurban sprawl, the doomed golf course, etc. Is that greasy spoon in Carroll still there?

This is trending as a popular thread now right along with the SW thread....so any more Lancaster news, anecdotes, memories, musings? -My partner had a painting featured in a showing at the Lancaster Festival in 1989! I still have two big official posters from that festival-our art teacher made them. -I LOVE Rising Park and the view over the town. I have a pic of my mother with a boyfriend sitting there overlooking the city in 1951.

I would not notice A LOT if it were not posted on here.

Yes I used to go to an art class at a house on Coonpath Rd nearby. I still think ten acre lots are excessive. But yeah, exurban Ohio is gonna exurban Ohio. At least it will be mostly green and all. *shrugs* One acre lots would be one tenth the size and still be slightly over 200 feet by 200 feet. 100 houses would seem to fetch more $$$ than 15 or so but whatever. But I guess I should not really be surprised, unfortunately. *there is a small part of me that is being paranoid and thinking, "why the hell is everyone questioning every damn. post. I. make? f*ck Y'ALL!!! 😝

Those lot sizes are ridiculous-this is the opposite of the Frebis avenue 99 units on .65 acres original proposal on the south side of Cbus.. Ten acre lots? The Ohio Statehouse sits on only ten acres! The sprawl of it all... What public course will be left adjacent to Lancaster? I never realized they do not have a municipal gold course within the city limits. *Looks like Newark has both a private and a public course within the city limits...hmmm.

The link is posted-the renderings are in the CU article. I never said that I did not want Cbus to become 'relevant" or "denser". But I also think comparing Cbus to those particularly large older legacy cities only is a bit disingenuous and questionable at best. Why not Paris, Tokyo as well? C'mon now! lol My thought process is that we do need density in the right places and in the right forms and putting 99 units on two thirds of an acre in a generally single family two story neighborhood where you will have an ugly 5 story building with no setbacks roughly ten feet or so(by appearances)from said housing when we have a commercial strip nearby that is ripe for just this kind of dense development may not be the right strategy or aesthetic for achieving said density. Even the "whale" has setbacks and is surrounded by streets on all sides to help 'buffer' if from surrounding homes. This would have been significantly denser than "the whale" and with no setbacks at all-regarding the building itself in relation to it's height(five floors straight up)appearing to be only about ten or twelve feet from existing two story homes. It just did not look like the right density done the right way in the right location to me. Aesthetically this thing looked ugly to me. 20 units on 2/3's of an acre is fine for this spot IMO-especially when you have an under-utilized commercial corridor a block away. If this was actually on Parsons the 99 units thing would work better IMO-especially with the Kroger right there.(with a better looking design). As is yours, this is just an opinion-my opinion and we will all never totally agree but "generally' we are on the same side I think. *This previous proposal: 99 units on .65 acres. The 'whale": 262 units on 2.5 acres and surrounded by buffering streets. Almost 50 percent denser, with no buffer and no setbacks plus an ugly design. Just not the right proposal for this place-again JMO of course. Fix the design and put it on Parsons with a bit of ground floor retail and it's a YES from me! :)

Did you see the rendering? It does look a bit too much to me(and ugly). And well we are not those cities as well. And it seems a bit much given the many more appropriate locations along Parsons itself. You are of course entitled to your opinion. *Plus we don't know what the 'pushback' was...maybe they would have settled or a 3 or four story building with less units but better design?

I think the Whittier project was only 4 units. And wasn't part of the plan to densify our corridors where there is transit right there so you don't need so much parking? Parsons really is starting to look ripe and there is so much junk along there that can go and will not be missed. How many auto parts stores do you need on one stretch of avenue?

well the plan that we knew of got approved-the 20 townhomes. The scaled down part was an original proposal for 99 apartments in a 5 story building. Not to be a whalewatcher and all, but that is kind of alot in that fairly small space surrounded closely by 2 story homes-even though it is right by the Kroger. The townhomes are a good tradeoff. They should try for somewhere nearby along Parsons itself for the five story 99 unit thing though.

I think it is close enough to them though...at least much closer than the Hilltop. Even the lowly(but improved compared to 30-40 years ago)Dispatch recognized as much. And it is not a part of the uncool crescent-too far North. And yeah I know you coined the term but I stand by this part lol. *We do need a map of the uncool crescent. Has this been done before? We also need to push this name. It needs the recognition and respect it deserves!

Good for them(for the bolded part). Abbot is just being a pain in the a$$ as this point it seems.

The Hilltop decline was negligible and some areas did grow. The Linden growth is very impressive and I hope it keeps up, but what really stands out is the Franklinton decline. We know what is causing the East Franklinton decline(and yes that will turn around dramatically) but what about the West Franklinton decline? Also how much gentrification is happening in the area west of 315? I am surprised the Hilltop did not decline more than the small amount it did even with the housing crisis. Much of it is a mess and the city is doing little for that area as far as I know. Crime, drugs, bodies being found buried in cement in basements, serial killers, etc. And much of it looks as bad as it is-just junky looking. Parts of it are like a lost forgotten part of the city it seems. And there are few if any amenities there or relatively close by it seems-part of the curse of the uncool crescent-something Linden fortunately does not have to deal with.