Toddguy

COV and AIL ? Really? I would not go with that name given what has been happening.

Well first of all, may I extend my sympathies for you for having to experience West Jefferson lol. Anyways I think there will be "pockets of development" rather than any expansive development, particularly any that is residential IMO.. West Jefferson is extending water and sewer lines for all of these new warehouses, they required Batelle out here to get annexed into West Jefferson to get water and sewer for their expansion, and there is also expansion to the east towards Columbus that has happened for this planned development that has been in the works: https://www.columbusmessenger.com/bids-in-for-utility-extension-to-kroger-sky-ranch.html . This development(or some form of it)should bring hundreds of new housing units-depending now of course on what happens in this coronavirus economy. Also West Jefferson village limits(still a village since slightly less than 5,000 are within the corporate limits)have expanded and extend all of the way east to west form 142 all the way to 42(which is the London exit from 70.)

Yes it is looking good so far. I am so glad they decided to do it this way and save that old frontage along the street. Hopefully it will look very nice when completed.

So with the newly unemployed together with the unemployed to start with before the virus we are now at 24% unemployment? :( They cannot find really effective treatments or a vaccine soon enough. Will there be a second stimulus check?

LOL ok then. You never know, for some people that is what they want-to relive that time all over again(not me of course.)

Masks, tons of hand sanitizer, social distancing, wills and papers in order... ...on a lighter note... alcohol and and lots of comfort food. We do need to treat ourselves for having to go through this crap. A few anxiety drugs called in by a doctor for the "anxiety and all regarding this catastrophic virus pandemic" would not hurt. Short term of benzos would not hurt ya know(just no driving on that stuff). I will not mention the green leafy substance that is smoked. *that Darkhouse place sounds great because of the large spaces inside and outside. You can actually "sorta" social distance and all at least to a degree.

Oh if only. If only. But you know Pataskala will NOT be having that! ? That would be a great growth corridor.

^^ Welcome to the forum and nice pics!!! So you think Newark will be ahead of Dublin in the 2020 official census results? It would be nice to have another Central Ohio city above the 50,000 mark.

Do you think the company will bounce back from this when things "settle down" a bit? Do you see this as a temporary response to the pandemic that will be readjusted after this horrible thing is over/under control?

^^ Good info about Sherwin-Williams-especially after they re-committed to staying in Ohio. As Ohioans we are all in this together and this is a little bit of good news for Ohio when Ohio really needs some good news.

I know in some of the original planning renderings they had some open area on the north end of this project that was I believe for future development. Does anyone know if the 440 housing units and commerical/office space is just within that area shown to be developed, and could there still be further development in that northern area? Thanks and thanks for the update. * I was just wondering if they could get closer to the original much higher density for Confluence Village.

Thanks for posting this-it looks so different when presented this way-a much better way to visualize it. The wrapping of multi-story parking garages with residential should become a go-to practice in this city-especially in high visibility/denser areas.

Just replacing strip malls, other dead big box stores, other empty business buildings/etc. with a mix of ground floor activity and apartments on top would help densify many suburban areas. It is just the matter of convincing the residents(NIMBYS)of these areas that it will not mean the downfall of civilization if this happens. I guess in more upscale areas they could be condos instead of apartments? Also aren't these areas I have mentioned already zoned for non-residential purposes? And I agree that Liverpool neighborhood looked heinous and I don't think most Americans(particularly Ohioans)would tolerate that streetscape. Maybe something more like the homes in Harrison West along Perry and Harrison Park Place, just cheaper versions of course. I think that is still a decent density and more acceptable to American tastes. Add in some apartments and ground floor "activity" and that neighborhood could be recreated where a dead big box/department store/etc. is now. This could happen in relatively newer areas built up post war, while the individual infill type stuff could happen in older areas. What is happening in Italian Village/Weinland Park-where non residential areas are built up densely with homes and apartments replacing older non-residential uses should be applied to other areas-there are plenty of dying or dead nonresidential areas scattered all over the city-but of course the NIMBYS!!!!! smh. *I do agree with jmecklenborg that much of the Nashville infill(at least what he showed) was awful.

And miss out on boomtowns like Austin, Charlotte, Nashville, Raleigh-Durham, etc.? Ok.

I think this "top 20" is very arbitrary. Why not look at the top 40 instead. By "top 20" they would miss hot spots like Austin, Nashville, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, etc. What makes you so sure that Cleveland will be so much better off over such an arbitrary rating bases completely off of metro population size? This rationale is just bizarre and seems like a way to justify Cleveland somehow really needing to move into the top 20 of metro areas in population. I don't think it is that serious. If Cleveland is in the top 20 is it really going to change the perceptions of the city good or bad? Until the relevant government agency decides that the criteria are met to make the changes it ain't gonna happen anyway so why even ponder it?

It would definitely be a case of do it right, or don't do it at all. And everything would have to be approved and followed through-which means it is not likely to happen unfortunately since doing it right means making it more expensive, usually.* *Unless tax payer money/incentives etc. are used. Given what we are going through right now...I am not so sure about that.

The idea of wrapping the parking structure to match some of the older buildings that were originally there is a good one.

Well I guess if they take just top 20 metros then they would be ignoring Austin, Nashville, Charlotte, etc. -I doubt that is the case. I think it has to do with not only national recognition, but what kind of national recognition-is it good, bad, in the middle, etc. If a metro is top 20 but has a bad rep(like Detroit had for a long time), that is not going to help it. St. Louis is in the top 20(barely)but it does not have the same rep as Austin, Nashville, etc. as a booming city. I also think that areas should just let the government agency responsible for metro area boundaries to it's thing. When the criteria is met, the change will happen- it does not need to be boosted, pushed, etc. by any agencies attached to any particular city. When the guidelines are met, it will happen. *Also, if Cbus somehow was able to jump into the top 20 I don't think it would help the city much either-just like Cbus having more people than San Francisco by city limits-people do not care about that-they are not fooled. That is just something for Cbus residents to boast about(while laughing about it at the same time)-it does not really have any "result" for the city IMO.

Truth. Although we didn't lose as much that would be so valuable right now as they did with their West End-such a huge loss. That would be like German Village being leveled. But Market-Mohawk, Flytown, and the areas taken by the freeways that was substantial enough-and when you add in the other random demolitions...smh. I do find this discussion about Cincinnati interesting though(I don't know the city that well) I hope it does not veer too far off course.

Where are you all getting this data? Is this site ok?: http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf This site is showing Dhaka at over 100,000 per square mile, well over any others.

Callery Pears are incredibly invasive. You really can't tell how much so unless they are blooming-which they recently did. I could not believe how many of those white clouds of blooming Callery pears were everywhere-colonizing fields and lining old fences. Whole abandoned fields out here(Madison County)were full of them. I think the new ones they plant are better and longer lived cultivars like "Aristocrat" and "Cleveland" rather than the bad branch angled "Bradford" so they should be longer lived and less subject to breakage as well as being a bit smaller and narrower, but they are all still very invasive. Over the last dozen years I have seen them spreading around here and I am amazed at how many of them have naturalized. Again you really can't tell until they are blooming(early when other trees have no leaves out)and then you can really see just how many of them there are as they are not just blending in with the other greenery. They plant them because they are so tough and can deal so well with urban conditions, but they need to find alternative flowering trees.

Regarding the falling rate, I don't know if estimates for just two years makes a real trend or anything-especially since the only one outside the group(below 1 percent) is just one estimate for last year. The census numbers(God help us given how they might be because of COVID-19) will let us know where we are. I mean I wonder what dramatic development happened between 2017 and 2019 to cause the rate to fall by nearly half? We know how crazy off the official census numbers every ten years have been lately(as in 2010) so it all has to be taken with a grain of salt until those are released. *I can imagine a number of places complaining and using COVID-19 as a reason for low estimates they get. *I also for some reason think Cbus has been overestimated.

I cannot think of Cincinnati now without thinking of "incestuous" social, economic, and political elites. Not that the description is necessarily wrong(I really don't know the city)but the phrasing is in my brain now re: "The city that shall not be named" lol. *interesting on that link that Z posted is that Cbus is smack in the middle(so typical). Also for Cbus 50 percent is multi-family units which is a bit higher than some nearby metros.

It did-but you didn't. ;) Not that it is a big deal though. It is an interesting discussion-why the drop, right?

But...but...where am I going to park my SUV? Where is the Walmart? ? Isn't Dhaka the most densely populated city? And great pics from both you and ColDayMan