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We will not see a fifty story tower in my lifetime, and probably not in yours either! lol. Just to get something over 400 feet would be a major accomplishment. Two buildings over 400 feet?-a huge accomplishment. This is Cbus we are talking about, and as much as I hate to admit it, this city just has a hard time now going for height. I really wish Nationwide had forsaken Grandview Yards for a new tower along Long at or not far from High. *sigh* With building costs rising, I also don't see how Millenial Tower is going to get built for 150 million with 750.000 square feet of space either. I think $200.00 a square foot for 400 foot tall buildings is a thing of the past even for Cbus.

Damn. I don't know what I want here. I want OSU to win, but I am not sure I want OSU to somehow pass Oklahoma and get into the #4 spot-likely facing (ugh) Alabama. Maybe the Rose Bowl and a win there would be ok? It would take Clemson winning, Alabama destroying Georgia, and either Oklahoma losing and us winning, or Oklahoma with a very ugly win and us with a fantastic win to get us in. I don't think all of those things are going to fall in line perfectly for us-and that may not be the worst fate for us. I am not really sure we belong in the top four anyhow to be honest.

So can you give us some kind of idea of what these changes might entail? *Strange that Casey has not been back since he got mad at my response to his post on this! C'mon back Casey we miss you! It was not an attack on you, but the building-if you were involved in the design-I did not know that! *feels bad* *I also now just think the design is "meh"...I guess it has grown on me but it is not so horrible to me as it was at first. Maybe I have reached the "acceptance" stage? lol.

^^I am getting an error message trying to access CU for this article. Hopefully just a temporary problem.

I agree with the street going north....but I just wonder where they could put an underpass? They already have a street(with a very narrow access point off Nationwide)leading into the weird triangle parcel. That would need a long underpass though given the current track situation-at least 150 feet I think. I don't know if there is room to get an underpass off of Huntington park lane due north. Maybe a road extending between the old casino site itself and the 7 plus acre area to the west, going under the tracks right by the freeway-but I wonder about flooding and other issues as well with an underpass. It is such a strange and difficult area with the interstate and railroads cutting it up but I agree I good access road North would help. Too bad there is no place to take it across the Scioto into Franklinton-again because of all the railroad tracks. The Scioto Peninsula and East Franklinton just do not connect to the north at all.

Do they still have some more air rights that they can acquire for that site? Do you think they will try to get them and go for the 15,000 capacity mark? I also hope they go for the taller(more expensive, less likely) tower that is of right, and that Foster can think outside the box and diagrids and come up with something that at least has a decent crown and does not meet the air with the resounding crunch of a rather large flat top.

No I prefer to do it with the masses Tomorrow.

Dammit I want Cordray so bad I can't stand it. I hope these are right.

Well thank God this is not the final 'complete' version and they (hopefully) can raise the rest of the money to finish it. So basically it is open but NOT finished...

^^ well good. No great loss there and that area needs more development. It is like it's own small downtown (and kind of is given that Old North Columbus was a town before it got annexed by the city.) That area is ripe for developments IMO. Plenty of places for infill and it is NOT controlled by Clintonvillains.

Does Cordray really have a chance to win? I have not been following as closely as I should. I can't stand Dewine.

If the Crew is saved, then must become a Browns fan. Just the way it is. I do like orange and brown together lol.

^^ I like how the first photo shows how they really did not skimp with the landscaping. Seems they really packed in some fairly mature trees and not just some scraggly saplings. They might want to put in some flower beds or low shrubs or something on the river and Broad st. sides IMO. Compared to the park part, it just looks a bit too sterile, especially with the modern architecture. I know they want the building to be completely visible, but I think some low plantings/beds might be in order. The picture posted at 4:14 with just the bare metal railing looks a bit harsh. maybe a low hedge on the other side of it or something? It seems like there is just a little too much plain old grass...just sayin' and all.

If that piece is just blank on the east side I will be ok with it. As long as it has windows on the north and south sides. It does look fairly prominent on the last pic that ColDayMan just posted so it can't just be a big ugly lump looking like a tumor or a parasitic twin hanging on the thing.

We are so lucky that here in Columbus we escaped the large scale urban renewal clearance that other cities had to deal with! /sarcasm. Interesting before and after views at the link, http://gatehousenews.com/cbusnext/interactive-graphics/ *is that one little place by High the Centrum skating rink? Was it still there at that time?

^^^ I love that this and the Long and Fourth building are being restored to their former glory. We need these brick structures that are still standing, especially if they are more than 2 floors. Just like how the Matan(sp?) building going up in Riversouth preserved the very nice 3 floor brick building by building around it. As downtown (hopefully-no recession!) continues to infill with new buildings, these will help tie everything together a bit and add a bit of character. God knows that in their current state they are nothing but eyesores. What were they thinking in the 60's and 70's?

These preliminary renderings look good.

I just happened to check back in here right after you posted this lol. And yeah, it really has never seemed attached to downtown anyway. Hopefully it will be developed and will be a nice transition to East Franklinton. Although I am sure I heard Hugh DeMoss refer to it as the west side of downtown back in 198.... LOL. ? *why they ever chose a company from an out-of-state rival like Indy....

It has been referred to as "Mt Waggenbrenner" and at one time was referenced as "the mountain' on google maps. They had letters on it like the Hollywood sign in LA at one time: https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/weinland-park-hollywood-sign (from back when CU had a messageboard. ? )

^^ technically it is a part of downtown as shown in the City of Columbus website map of downtown, but yeah it is a minor point I do like how the Scioto Peninsula has been referred to in the past as the undeveloped western part of our downtown, and dense(and tall) development would help establish it as such. Which is why I am glad Buckingham was ushered out the door, hopefully with security accompanying them and only 15 minutes to pack their personal cubicle belongings in a cardboard box lol.

^ I am specifically referring to this: As we both posted, the Scioto Peninsula is not a "swath of Franklinton" . But it really is a minor point. I liked the article overall and the pics of Gravity especially. The view of Gravity with the 3 sections fronting Broad being: a pattern of diagrids that lights up, a large mural of a nice looking artist guy showing 'love' with his spray can, and an actual GREEN WALL!!!-that looks good and shows that they can work here(I have criticized them in the past)-that pic is great!!! ?

Hopefully these will also have a very good view of a new soccer stadium as well as the downtown skyline.

^^ That perspective does help. It really shows the wall is between the parking lot and the park and not between the park and Broad, which is how it looks in the first pic. What looks to be an entrance to the park on the right is actually a way of leaving the park and entering the parking area-the first pic is very misleading looking. And that raw bare concrete does look bad as it is. Does anyone know what material they are going to use to darken it as shown in the renderings? Will it be just paint of something else? Is that a mural on it?

I wish they would not refer to the Scioto Peninsula as part of Franklinton. It is part of Downtown Columbus, not Franklinton.

Yeah I was referring to just how they look in that specific last pic. As other stuff fills in it will just add more variety.