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In that article someone was quoted as saying the Wexner Center was built in the 'late nineties'..uh..about a decade off..it was built late 80's opened 1989. I want the hotel 'centerpiece' to(of course) be a bit taller lol. And they are demo'ing every. single. building. Not even a facade will be preserved apparently unless some developer really wants to save one. Oh well.

I think there have only been two large proposals for Franklinton(while a lot of land acquisition has gone on)..this and the one that was sent back with the request for 'more height' and being directed more toward he river. The CU article says they want to break ground within six months, so hopefully things start moving quickly(unless there are some macro-economic things that happen of course). *Also they are moving ahead with the Vets thing nearby, and I don't know if the garage/park construction has started yet. There's also the smaller Warner Junction project that was proposed. It's been stalled for a couple of years now. Yeah there is that. Also aren't there plans for a building across the street from 400 Rich that would be 5 floors and be artist work/live spaces?

I think there have only been two large proposals for Franklinton(while a lot of land acquisition has gone on)..this and the one that was sent back with the request for 'more height' and being directed more toward he river. The CU article says they want to break ground within six months, so hopefully things start moving quickly(unless there are some macro-economic things that happen of course). *Also they are moving ahead with the Vets thing nearby, and I don't know if the garage/park construction has started yet.

Hell yes to this project!!! This is HUGE for that area!!!!! :clap: Very interesting design and cool list of uses!!

The Dispatch rendering posted by Pablo does seem to indicate a large surface parking lot between the planned 8-story Behavioral Health building and Livingston Avenue. However, if you look at the rendering below from http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/06/10/nationwide-childrens-launching-730-million.html that was taken from the Children's Hospital presentation and the Dispatch video below, which also includes renderings from the hospital's presentation, the "parking lot area" is handled differently: In the hospital's presentation, the "parking lot area" in the Dispatch rendering seems to be open green space. Of course, this could just be the hospital's way of downplaying a surface parking lot in front of the planned 8-story Behavioral Health building. But the structures on either side of the planned building are listed as "Parking Garage for Livingston Ambulatory Center" and "Parking Garage for Behavioral Health". So if two parking garages are being built for the two Children's Hospital buildings at this site, why would a large surface parking lot also be necessary? Now, some convenience surface parking or drop-off areas might be planned for this site. But it looks like the hospital is committing to structured parking handling the lion's share of parking demand there. So I wonder if the Dispatch's graphics guy used some artistic license with their depiction of the surface parking lot. I hope you are right. Also I just noticed that the Dispatch rendering has a massive tunnel for 70(look at that weird thing..it is like a tunnel snaking into a bigger tunnel) so I am not going to trust that.

More office and retail, but 80 less units. Better layout and more river oriented, but they were actually encouraged to go higher(8 to ten stories) and they did not, even with the encouragment. *It says it is doubling, but I cannot access that site. Per CU, it looks to be the same area covered but with 230 units instead of 310...so I realize I could be wrong about that.

Not to be a downer and glad that the expansion is taking place, and I know that narrow strip is not ideal, but did they have to design it like a midrise strip mall with everything at the edges and surface parking at the center? At least it is not connected to the other part by a skywalk lol. But this will do nothing for Livingston and the other side is right up to the street. Oh well. Such is life.

I hope this is a trend-asking for 10, 11, 12 floors instead of asking right off for six or seven floors. This makes me wonder more about the Price Avenue site and the UDF site.

When it comes to green or living walls, I am going to need to see some examples of large scale green living walls in temperate climates like Central Ohio-and at different times of the year. I can't think of anything that would not die out naturally by going dormant, or brownout from cold or windburn in our climate, so the green wall would be a dead looking brown wall much of the year-and possibly the dead growth could be a fire hazard. I know they work in warmer climates, and those two pics look like a much warmer climate than here-notice the palm trees in once of the pics. Even the hardiest everygreen cover like English Ivy might brown out in a large vertical exposed setting.

I generally don't like the elevated walkways either, but it really is just a garage connector. No different really than the garage planned for the millenial tower. people are going to go down to their car from the office or apartment/condo and bypass everything(including the lower retail) if they want. This is no different really, except they are going across the street as well. If it was something where people are carried past three blocks of busy shops and restaurants I could see the problem, but aside from the ugliness of these things, I don't see how it will really impact 'the street' in any real way. It may look like there are fewer people on the street, but those people who would be on the street without the walkway would just be waiting to cross to the garage anyway in this case. Sometimes I think it is as much the idea of the walkways and what they often represent( less people on the street actually doing things like going into stores, etc. -and the ugliness of them) than what they really are doing. A few people might not stop in the lower level to do something, a few less people waiting to cross a street. It is not like the street being walked over is lined with lively shops and restaurants. If this was Gay street between High and Third then ya, it would be very problematic. The main problem with this thing (to me)is that these walkways are almost always visually distracting and ugly. But I have to admit if I was one of the workers or residents and it was 5 below with a 30 mph wind blowing or pouring rain, I might appreciate the skyway more.JMHO *It might have helped their cause(too much speeding traffic/too dangerous) if the rendering actually had a single vehicle on the road rather than the street just 'looking like people drive fast'

Indy had 744,000 people after consolidation in the 197o census after it had ballooned to 365 square miles. Indy then lost population within this 365 miles area, and did not rise above that 1970 number until the 2000 census. Even now, Indianapolis has added less than 120,000 people to it's population since the merger with Marion County. It almost seems like the merger really created the boomburgs of Fisher, Carmel, etc. Also much of the new builds are single family housing in sprawl on the outskirts while two thirds of Columbus housing recently has been multifamily. If you look at Indy, there are not great huge swaths of land available for development anymore, and the ones that kind exist in the southwest and southeast are not 'prime areas' and the development going on there is generally single family sprawl. Indy already is in a little bit of trouble IMO. Indy benefits because basically Fort Wayne is not and has never been a Cleveland, and Evansville is not and has never been a Cincinnati. They are the only 'large' city in the state, and by default are going to get more things(like Pro Sports Teams) that represent the whole state. While Columbus and Indy are similar in that they benefit from being State Capitals, Indy benefits more from the lack of instate competition.

I admit it is not fair to compare Cbus to many other Ohio cities, especially Cleveland and Cincinnati, which in 1950 had urban area populations 3 and 2 times larger than Cbus, respectively. But speaking of cities you can compare Cbus to, it is doing ok. (btw..Louisville with all of it's 385 square miles(again more than 50% larger than Cbus) only gained about 2500 people...in 385 square miles. That is not 'gaining alot of people to me.) Also Nashville at over 500 square miles gained less than Columbus, adding less than 10,000 people in over twice the area. Oklahoma City at over 600 square miles added less than Columbus, adding just a little over 10,000 people in nearly 3 times the area Indianapolis at over 350 square miles added only 4,000 people, and at more than 50% of the area of Columbus, is probably behind Cbus now in 2016 in population. Columbus added almost as many people as Jacksonville, which is nearly 4 times the area of Columbus. Memphis lost population and is 100 square miles larger than Columbus. Even the thriving Fort Worth, Charlotte, and Austin added less than 20,000 each and are all much larger than Cbus, from 265 square miles to nearly 350 square miles. The city is doing ok compared to it's peers- the real deal is that in many ways Cincinnati and Cleveland are not really peers to Cbus-they are legacy cities and should really be compared to other legacy cities. We all know that they both seem larger than Columbus, and we all know why too. *Also while there is growth taking place around the Columbus region, about two thirds of the growth happening in Franklin County is within Columbus city limits, and about half of all of the growth in the metro area is taking place, again, within Columbus city limits.

Columbus has annexed less than 20 square miles in the last 16 years. About 210 square miles and 711,000 in 2000 to about 225 square miles and 850,000 in 2015 -adding 15 or so square miles(much of it in the extreme south of the city and not developable land)while adding nearly 140,000 people. The rapid annexation talk was played out about 20 years ago. And Cbus is about to pass Indy(and may have by now)-only 3,000 people behind in the latest estimates-while Cbus has 225 square miles and Indy has 365 square miles. That population surge from 787,000 to 850,000 happened with virtually no new annexation since 2010

This is interesting. I have not heard anything about that parcel since the downtown zoo thing fell through.

lol OK.

Does anyone on here update the proposed building sections on sites like Skyscraperpage or Skyscrapercity?

YES!!!!

Given that they admit they are using natural setting, scenery, glitz factor right off, I think Nashville is the most undeserving city on there. particularly since I despise their signature building(unfortunately their signature building should have been that Signature Tower that is now in Jakarta or somewhere.)

Such a huge improvement. This project will now really be a win-win imo.

this building looks really good-almost like it was an original building that is just getting remodeled. Why can't some of these other projects look like this? This looks like it would fit in well in just about any existing older urban neighborhood.

This looks good, but the article/post also makes me think the Tremont is doomed.

I don't get the problem they have with the parking? This proposal seems to be a pretty good compromise to me and a good way to add density without destroying the streetscape/entire fabric of a neighborhood while keeping the area devoted to parking at a minimum.

Yeah it will be ok. At least I get over the disappointment quickly. Someone should remind Walker tho about his laments about the Convention Center...Just sayin' :P This at twelve floors is still going to be great. Much better than a dead mall and it will complete the Commons! :)

Let the lamentations begin: http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/two25-17-story-high-rise-proposed-for-se-columbus-commons/page/7 This needs an emoticon! This does not sound like empathy more sarcasm! Are you making fun of us...? *cries* I posted that update over there and I admit, I did lament...but I also noted I was glad the project was moving forward. Look at the comments about it here..hoping for it to go higher, hoping it does not get downsized are mentioned. In fact, I am going to lament here as well. LAAAAMMMMEEEENNNNTTTTT!!!! *wails and beats and kicks floor with hands and feet* Imma come over here and lament every time a Columbus project disappoints...so get ready for some serious lamentation. lol Just wait until that property Nationwide just bought on Spring is announced as a 15 floor.....concrete parking garage with NO residential and NO office and NO groundfloor retail. Everyone on this forum will be able to hear the weeping and gnashing of teeth all the way from Cbus. I need to log off now and get my smelling salts...*now where did I put my aromatics?*

Columbus among America's Next Boom Towns! (number 14 out of 15). http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/01/14/americas-next-boom-towns/#269576af0dd9162c70faf0dd