Toddguy

And it's approved! http://www.columbusunderground.com/short-north-white-castle-development-approved-bw1 Oh well.

Just want to say I love your site and the amazing way you can compile data. I do want to point out that much of the problem people have with Columbus and density seems to be not the density, but the 'kind' of density. There is the walkable density with shops, restaurants, etc. nearby, and then there is the suburban style density where apartment complexes may be jammed in and you get the density, but you still have a suburban style layout, non-grid, Wide suburban arterials with no sidewalks, dangerous for any pedestrians, shops and businesses isolated due to zoning and setback from the unwalkable arterials with huge parking lots between the stores and the streets. I bet portions of the South Hilliard area around Hilliard-Rome road(the vast majority south of Roberts Road actually within Cbus city limits)would qualify as high density, but the area is a damn mess navigable only be car( and that is a hellish experience in and of itself much of the day in that area). Hell I avoid Hilliard-Rome if at all possible. It may be density, but it is definitely not desirable density. I think others commented about how some California coastal suburban areas are very dense(10,000 + per square mile), yet are basically just like other suburan car oriented areas, just with much smaller lots and homes jammed together. Of course it would be very difficult to define, and then measure, 'desirable density'. I can't even imagine how it could be defined and then measured with city to city comparisons. I would think that this 'desirable density' would be much more likely to be found in Cincy and Cleveland, since they were mostly built out before the suburban freeway era, but I think other problems factor in such as quality and age of housing stock, etc. that may offset much of the benefits of an area being walkable. There are areas of cities that are walkable, but are deteriorated and practically warzones-they may be walkable, but who would want to walk there? And is there the desire, the need(demand), the money, or the will to turn these areas around? Would a better way to compare densities be comparing the 1950 boundaries of the cities rather than the current areas within city limits?

I think they pretty well say that there will be two more structures to fill out the development. I can't imagine the location directly to the east of this building will be any less tall, and the one in the last spot east of the garage, who knows? Would it need to be higher to get decent views or would the views simply be oriented east towards the park? It would be nice to get some ground floor retail like a restaurant at the spot next to this building-it would face the river and McPherson Commons...with outdoor seating that would be really nice.

lol ok I will just let it drop. I have had really bad insomnia lately and have been crabby and nutty as hell. Maybe I was just being too sensitive or critical. *Damn I wish I could fall asleep*

That post was in response to a question. Thanks for your concern. The question(and the discussion itself about crime) had little if anything to do with population. It should have never been in that thread. It should have been moved or pruned as off topic, especially since other cities were dragged into the crime(not population) discussion. And thanks for your response.

This is going to be great for that stretch of High. We can only hope they can come up with something better for the side of High opposite this.

You should never have posted this in the Cleveland population thread to begin with. There is a Cleveland crime thread. It should not be discussed here, it should be moved there. Shame on the mods here(okay, maybe not since I did not even bother to report it or complain about it. :oops: ).

I wish they would have included a link to the whole list.

I was looking on Google street view of the residential across from the proposed residential-lined garage on Lincoln...and spotted this. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9770166,-83.0020524,3a,75y,188.17h,81.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHTD5Ur0YYv_YK1axanl9iQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 I hope they don't complain about the 'character' of the street being ruined and all...they have the dreaded GLASS BLOCK! lol

They used to do the same with Portland back in the day to distinguish it from the city in Maine. I guess Portland just grew large enough and got to the point where it dominates enough to just be 'Portland'....if they are talking about the city in Maine, then it is Portland, Maine. I guess they must still list both with their respective states in the Northeast (I would imagine). The post that started this whole debate qualifies Portland as Portland, Oregon. Well duh... that is what I get for not following consistently. I thought Portland had 'made it' and escaped the curse of the same named city. IF Portland is still Portland, Oregon, then Cbus will forever have 'Ohio' trailing it.

They used to do the same with Portland back in the day to distinguish it from the city in Maine. I guess Portland just grew large enough and got to the point where it dominates enough to just be 'Portland'....if they are talking about the city in Maine, then it is Portland, Maine. I guess they must still list both with their respective states in the Northeast (I would imagine).

They need to say something at least. If we end up with two holes in the ground, and a demolished Trautman building, with nothing to show for it, ....*do not even want to think about it* of course in the off chance that they get back on track and maybe even announce another height increase, all will be forgotten and forgiven...

That house is a real beauty(freed from the hideous mid century attachment) and the new building is not bad at all either. Contemporary but not too jarring in the context really.

*prays for a NuCLEus type proposal on Third directly across from the Huntington center and not another six story stickbuild box attached to a renovated Dispatch building sans sign*

Sorry about that, but it was about as on topic as what it was in response to. Hey I'm not a surface lot anymore! :)

Build some new stadiums in the Cbus area....the Columbus Reds or Columbus Bengals sound even better. Maybe something to think about while Cincy once again wallows in racial tension and undergoes the ordeal of a long racially charged trial with a resolution that will leave a legacy of bitterness whatever it may be? Central Ohio IS the area that is expected to be gaining 500,000 people(or more) in the next 25 years-something to think about ;) *Oh, and being the State Capital and all, I am sure we can find a way to make the rest of the state pay for the stadiums..hehehehe.

I saw it there first, and already left my opinion there thanks. (Assuming the ^^ was directed towards me). It is disappointing, but better than 4 plus decades of surface parking lots and I will take it over that(and hope for higher density nearby in the future).

There is no proposal for a hotel, there is not even a commitment to a hotel. There is an 'if a hotel is included' and that is all. If there is no hotel, they will tack on another 75 or so units on to the empty two floor segment that will exist at the Northern end of this development. Meaning this will have the same number of units at the same height and on approximately the same area as Highpoint. Hey it is Columbus, it is 'good enough' though. JMH(disappointed)O.

I am really glad they put it there. I was afraid they were going to have another ugly fast food place or some other ugly use.

I have a feeling that once the landscaping/hardscaping is in and established, most everyone is going to wonder how in the heck did we put up with the bloated sewage sedimentation pond that used to be our river downtown? They need to get rid of more of these damn dams-two more dead on the Olentangy due to one of these lowhead dams(although part of the blame has to go to the 18 and 20 year old Darwin award winners who thought it would be a good idea to go rafting in a fast moving rain swollen river right above a dam).

This is what we need along High between Gay and Long-except standing on it's side! I rode by it today and it's looming attractive presence makes HighPointe almost tolerable. If those LC buildings ever get built at that intersection it will make Highpointe even closer to tolerable....or maybe not as noticeable?

Yuppie mid-sized box really does sum it up. But for what it is, it is not that bad. Too bad they can't extend it to the now vacant northern property (and make it look a bit better in the process). That frontage along High is all retail, right? with two story parking behind that? *Columbus always has had a thing for boxes...I recall seeing the construction of the Rhodes Tower, the ugliest, tallest, and biggest box of all(and stunted too since they capped it well below the original design). I guess the love affair with the box has just gone to 5-6 floors now.

I believe this is why, on paper, Columbus proper's various population statistics (income, crime, etc.) do not look as dire as Cleveland's. The presence of significant suburban areas within the city boundaries of Columbus allow the city to offer the "suburban lifestyle" while still being actual Columbus residents. The existence of the Win-Win school district agreement even allows many of these Columbus residents to attend the more desirable suburban school districts like Dublin, Westerville, Worthington, etc. I imagine if Cleveland ever fully consolidated with Cuyahoga County, a similar outcome would exist with the vast suburban areas remaining suburban in character. Part of the Win/Win agreement is that any new areas annexed into the city after that agreement went into effect go to Columbus City Schools. If you look at a map of Cbus City Schools, you will see the main inner area(about 1960 area city boundaries) and then a sprinkling of areas on the perimeter of the city, like small planets orbiting a sun. I think this is a part of the reason annexation has slowed in the city since around 1990 and also why no already built up residential area will ever be annexed by Cbus again-it would mean Cbus City Schools. Columbus will be growing by infill, increasing density, and building on existing annexed perimeter areas. I think the areal expansion of the city is pretty much over, and the city is pretty much surrounded by incorporated territory, territory this is already built up but will never annex to Cbus(southern Delaware County), or territory that is not really suited for development(Darby Creek area to the west) ..IMO of course.

they are still in town and own WBNS(CBS affiliate) so they are still here(unfortunately).

Or you can blame the Columbus Dispatch and Community Research Partners for the article. I was just joking around about that of course.. and I would LOVE to blame the hated Dispatch for any and all of the problems of the world and 'dispatch' the Wolfe family to a very warm subterranean place with a quickness! The Dispatch has only really been the voice of the wealthy or suburban population of Columbus from time Immemorial anyway. But there is some truth in the statement that one of the few things Cincy and Cleveland have in common is their mutual disdain for Cbus. c'mon now. Ohio cities are not exactly known for their warm support of other Ohio cities.