jonmoxon

^Maybe I'm too young, but I don't get the reference. :wtf:

As ugly as I believe the Breuer Tower to be, after hearing and reading the case to keep it, I am now 100% in favor of preserving and rehabbing it. This entire soap opera has been shady from the beginning. Dimora and Hagan seem to have their own agenda and are hellbent to push this through, no matter what the public thinks. Just keep electing these same Democratic retreads o sheep of Cuyahoga county! It's not their fault! Ugh, I'm done for the night. Time to watch the Cavs.

I haven't read every single post on this thread, but doesn't Daniel Gibson look like the player Dajuan Wagner could've been? Both similar height, perimeter game and ability to get to the hole. Too bad injuries held him back. I don't think we got anything for him, right? That being said, I hope the Cavs at the minimum can get a win here so we get all 3 home games played and maximize the economic benefit downtown. I never expected us to win this series, but I didn't expect us to look like this, either.

I reccomended this before, here's the direct link: Dmitry Orlov, "Closing the Collapse Gap" http://energybulletin.net/23259.html Also, I just got done reading "Deep Economy: The Wealth of Communities and the Durable Future" by Bill McKibben. An easy, insightful read on sustainable economies/communities in a world of scarce energy supplies and changing climate. Pertinent and hopeful. I'm working on "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew Simmons right now.

^Good article, pretty much a summary of what's been happening around the globe and the issues we are facing. It's still disturbing that the brunt of the reporting on peak oil is being done by overseas outlets. We here in the U.S. use the most, have the most to lose as a result, yet for the most part remain blissfully unaware of the trainwreck we're headed for or just refuse to believe that it's gonna happen. ("Look at Y2K" is a favorite refrain when I try to discuss the importance of this with other people/friends) or "The market will adjust accordingly" with nary a bump in our way of life. Ok, whatever. But I would be selling any suburban property and SUV's right now while they still have some value.

Bingo. As a home-owning, tax-paying, involved citizen in the community who lives right up the street from this development, it just warms my heart to see people who don't live in the community, don't pay taxes, and undercut honest contractors and tradesmen continually get this kind of work in urban areas. I've spent most of the last 3 mos. unemployed while these people get vanned in from Geauga county and work for $8/hr cash under the table or they get 1099'd by the builder. You tell me who benefits from this? Not me, and not the city, either. I could go on and on, but I won't. :x

^^Good points fellas. I don't recall any residential spaces on that block in Louisville. I will say it was a really good time for an out-of-towner, being there really isn't anything like it in C-town.

Kudos to the tribe on this; I hope these solar panels get a lot of air-time on tv. More ballparks and stadiums going this route will only help get the message out to that segment of the population not inclined to educate themselves on alternative energy. "If the (fill-in-your-favorite-team-here) are doing this, why can't the city do it?" etc. Keep the ball rolling.

10 Amish guys were there today framing the townhomes. I really dislike those guys. :shoot:

Anything new on this, or is this on the backburner until Pesht gets rolling? :?

Getting away from the strip-club discussion for a moment, has there been any renditions of the proposed pedestrian bridge(s) between the east and west banks? Where would it be located? I would think it would have to be a lift-bridge, no? This was thrown around on the Avenue thread, but it was mentioned that large-scale retail probably isn't the best idea for the FEB and that a better connection between the east and west banks would definitely help any retail that does locate there. I agree with this. My thought is, if I recall correctly, there used to be a swing bridge that connected both sides of the flats at main ave. Could this be done in the future? Has this been discussed? It would certainly help alleviate all the traffic having to meander through the flats and cross at center st. Why not make this proposed pedestrian bridge a "full-service" vehicular/pedestrian bridge. Seems to me you could solve a number of problems doing this. Of course it would cost millions, but why not think ahead and do it right? :clap:

All joking aside, remember that Stark's project is going to be done in stages, not all at once. He's been quoted as saying the first phase will be around $1 bil. The $20 billion cost was not broken down to show the port's expense for relocating, either, and I'm sure they will be financing their move, not Stark. Stark himself has said that he probably won't live long enough to see the entire project through to completion, nor does he want to do the whole thing himself. From everything I've seen and heard thus far, it's my gut feeling that he's slowly putting this together into something really big and will wait until all his ducks are in a row to announce it. Does that sound about right, KJP? :wink:

I will be re-locating to Toledo in the fall of '08 after my wedding. My wife-to-be is in residence there at St. V's until June of '09. I have been up there many times to visit her and have enjoyed getting to know the city. I love the Old West End and the warehouse district downtown by the ballpark. Are there any websites out there pertaining to Toledo's downtown & neighborhood development (besides this one :-)), history, what's happening, etc. that anyone would reccomend? My fiance-to-be lives in the 5-points neighborhood right now. Can any Toledoans out there add anything or make any reccomendations that might be helpful? Thanks in advance for any info!

I'm sorry I missed the meet. I had it circled on my calendar but a late night downtown watching the tribe come back against the tigers (and then celebrating) sabotaged any chance of getting up that early. I was downtown later that sat night with Gavster and my girlfriend watching the game at Harry Buffalo. It was unreal afterwards. It was like New Year's Eve in June. Hopefully the next meet will be before the weather gets bad; I'd like to meet some of you clowns. :-D

A source very close to the Clinic's construction & facilities people told us the clinic is looking to build another Intercontinental-style hotel somewhere on it's campus. There were no other details at this time. Wow. What would be the best location for this?

KJP, maybe you've talked to Mr. Stark already, but if you haven't you may want to place a call. Our group's source last night told us that Stark has agreements with 70% of the landowners in his project's footprint from the WHD to the waterfront. The combined cost, including the port relocation, is in excess of $20 billion. He wants to move on this asap and the PA board is doing everything it can to accomodate him. There was no mention, however, of when to expect a formal announcement. Maybe he is waiting for the port to finalize it's future plans? There was also an interesting tidbit on the Clinic which I will post over there.

^^^Bravo. Well put. :clap:

^Hmmm.....I'm going to have to look into that further.

I don't know how to post the direct link on here, but if you go to JH Kunstler's website (www.kunstler.com) he's got a link to it there. It was originally published in the Energy Bulletin by a Russian ex-pat. Lemme know what you think.

^Right on. Louisville, KY has a block-long entertainment district downtown (ironically enough, it's called 4th Street Live) that is partially covered by a glass canopy and the entire street is closed on weekend nights to pedestrians and is open container. You are carded at each end of the street (wristbands are given) and a large tiki-style bar is set up in the middle of the street. There are numerous establishments to sample (a bowling alley, The Pub, Saddle Ridge, a carribbean-style place, a huge Barnes& Noble, etc.) and the bars stay open til 4am. Very cool. I don't see why that couldn't be done here, no?

Also, does anyone know of any city district in the state or nation that has a residency requirement?

You're right about that ^, but let's use the Cleveland Public Schools as an example. Even if you're technically employed by the BOE, is your job still not funded by Cleveland taxpayers, same as city workers? I'm not arguing with you, I'm just curious as to why teachers always get left out of this discussion. That's a sizable chunk of people with nice incomes (and enormous political power, I know) that could re-energize many city neighborhoods. I would be curious to know what % of Cleveland teachers live in the district. What does everyone else think? If the city's good enough for city workers, than why not teachers? :wtf:

^^I agree with pretty much all of that. I would say that the U.S. is absolutely more dependent on oil than the chinese, and our economy would pretty much crash, because we have a much greater distance to fall, if you will. The chinese on the other hand, in the race to "westernize" their economy have so ravaged their natural landscape and polluted their air/water that if/when the oil bubble bursts, they're looking at the same problems we are, except they've got 1 billion people to contend with. Our crash will be harder because we so much more to lose than the chinese, but in the long run I know I'd rather be here than there. *KJP, on a side note, have you read Dmitry Orlov's "Closing The Collapse Gap"? It's an excellent little article comparing the collapse of the USSR and the US' potential collapse due to peak oil and its aftermath. Wickedly witty and not so far-fetched anymore, I think.

I'm just throwing this out there, but if we're talking about people who are public employees having to live where they're employed, shouldn't teachers be included in this?

I have always been a big fan of industrial scene views/photos. I remember my dad taking my bro's and I up to Conneaut harbor to watch the old huletts and ore bridge working at the P&C dock company (now owned by the CN). They're all long gone. Same deal in Ashtabula. I've always been fascinated by the immensity and complexity of working ports/steel mills/large industry. Honest men doing honest work. The creation of wealth. I really hope the old B&O terminal in the flats can be rehabbed in a timely manner. That building is a gem.