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Here are a few pics from Cleveland Memory that I don't think have been posted, both showing the Schofield Bldg.'s cupola. I know I shouldn't complain about the restoration of such an absolutely gorgeous building, but *sigh*... Wish the cupola were still in the works! Maybe it could be added back in somewhere down the line (like if it wins tax credits?)

These amounts are correct, per the PD and Crain's articles from a few weeks ago. EDIT: Here's the Crain's article I mentioned earlier: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20091117/FREE/911179980

:banger: That is all.

WW, everyone is apparently asking for details, cuz your inbox is full :) Send me a pm, if you don't mind.

That's funny because those are the exact same comments you see about downtown Cleveland on the PD's website- I would say that relatively few people post about being afraid of crime downtown (outside of panhandling, or encountering "thugs.") I think it's interesting that even though they apparently share the same perception problems from the locals, in my experience many Cleveland suburbanites have no or slightly favorable opinions about downtown Columbus, while Columbusites seem absolutely terrified of Cleveland.

Usually use Firefox, but since long photo threads tend to get cut off in that browser, I use IE for viewing photos.

Hi Deebo, welcome to UO! I just wanted to point out the photo galleries on Urban Ohio's main page. Here's a link to the Lakewood gallery: http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/index.php?album=Northeast+Ohio%2FCleveland%2FSuburbs%2FLakewood There are also lots of photo threads posted by Urban Ohio members in the "City Photos- Ohio" subforum. Again, here are a few links: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,15548.msg267869.html#msg267869 http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17240.msg322140.html#msg322140 http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,20394.msg425351.html#msg425351 Good luck with your hunt!

Chapter 11 is a reorganization, not a liquidation, so why do you think we're going to lose the bank?

I think the point everyone is trying to make is that there's no reason Geis can't deliver a product that meets the needs of potential clients (remember, no tenants are even lined up for this yet) while adhering to the zoning that is in place to maintain the look and built environment of Midtown. A multistory building with secured parking in the rear makes sense for this location- it's not like they're assembling cars and need a massive, one-floor layout! Furthermore, Geis wants to attract mid-size companies that are just out-growing their startup locations. If they really need more space than an entire floor of a three- or four-story building can give them, they're probably large enough to be looking for independent space elsewhere.

Every transit system in the country is publicly subsidized. This is not a problem unique to RTA, or its business model.

Or maybe similar to the Federal Reserve Bank building in Boston, Massachusetts: http://www.flickr.com/photos/19346767@N00/707253437#

Went past Loop this morning, and it's open for business! There were several people inside at 7:30 am. The website's still not up, but they do have a facebook page for the moment: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cleveland-OH/LOOP-in-Tremont-Ohio/151337760450?v=info#/pages/Cleveland-OH/LOOP-in-Tremont-Ohio/151337760450?v=wall

If you're looking to live in Cleveland, I'd definitely second (or third or fourth, whatever we're at now ;)) the West Park neighborhood. It's very family-oriented, right next to the Valley (Rocky River Reservation- an enormous metropark!) AND I-71 runs through the neighborhood (the exit is at W. 150th.) The neighborhood public schools are decent (Riverside Elementary is a blue-ribbon school) and there are also multiple private school options. Much of the housing stock was built in the 20s era, too.

Is this the furniture district idea that was being floated a while back, or something else?

True. But for visitors not accustomed to our weather, they might welcome an option to being out on the streets in winter. And I'm still thinking ahead to things like having intercity passenger trains converging at a North Coast Transportation Center, having the Waterfront Line making a loop of downtown and having two free trains that do nothing but loop the city, clockwise and counterclockwise. KJP, I'd also like to add that out-of-town visitors who are unfamiliar with Cleveland may be apprehensive about finding their way from their hotel in FEB to the Science Center or from the casino to the Rock Hall. A door-to-door connection would be very helpful to such people, especially if they don't have a car at their disposal. More on-topic, though, I'd like to ask you what your thoughts are on the possibility of adding a small WFL station to the casino (effectively creating a new terminus) or barring that, what kind of connection could be made from the casino to the Tower City rapid station?

I'm not terribly surprised by this. I can't speak for all of the Northeast, but having lived in New England for quite some time, my opinion is that it's not nearly as liberal as people imagine, especially in the more rural parts (and most of NE is very rural.) I have a feeling that if the question were put to voters in any of those states, it would be rejected. I think the reason it hasn't been voted on, though, is that New Englanders on the whole tend to be less religious, and more importantly, more conscious of the separation of church and state. There just isn't the same sort of bible-thumping zeal for ramming their personal beliefs into their state constitution via referendum (à la CCV) as there is in other parts of the country, but they evidently managed to organize enough in Maine to get this passed. I very much agree with this sentiment, and I think that what we've been seeing perfectly illustrates why we sometimes need the government to protect us from ourselves. I don't believe that most reasonable people are against extending things like hospital visitation rights, joint tax filing, or survivorship benefits to gay people in theory, but when it actually comes to enacting legislation that guarantees such things, people get a lot more squeamish and start squawking about "preferential treatment" and the like. My question for those people is this: if those rights were readily available to gays, and discrimination not really widespread, why would people push so hard for a legal guarantee of protection? Under our current legal system, spouses enjoy all those myriad protections, which is one reason marriage is being pursued- it's kind of a "one-stop-shop," if you'll excuse the rather crude analogy. Exactly, sometimes, things need to be legislated before people can digest and become comfortable with them...

It wasn't exactly planned, but the way it happened was logical given Cleveland's development. Downtown was built on a bluff for strategic reasons, and industry grew in the Flats because it needed the water. Manufacturing developed on the near East Side because of it needed proximity to services downtown, which was a business district, not a residential or entertainment neighborhood, during Cleveland's initial growth period. (Millionaire's Row is an exception to that generalization.) Like today, the wealthy lived mainly on the outskirts of the city (many former Euclid Ave. millionaires ultimately moved to University Circle and then into the Heights.) So even though we have this idea of Downtown as a real neighborhood with homes and entertainment today, at the time, the industry that needed to be near downtown for logistical business reasons would have been very much at odds with an idyllic University Circle. Also, fwiw, this aerial map of Pittsburgh from 1902 shows just how close industry and shipping came to their downtown: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Pittsburgh_Fowler_1902.png Although I'm not positive, I'm pretty sure Oakland is beyond most of the smokey factories in that image, so I think Pittsburgh probably followed the same general land-use patterns.

$2.4 billion? I can only imagine what having to pay the equivalent of almost 2.5 times their 2008 profit would do to the HQ relocation plans...

How about this: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111073887364519458387.00047612c522c1d845dd8&ll=41.493921,-81.690645&spn=0.015365,0.0418&z=15 That's great, thanks! I interpreted "e" differently, though... I took it to mean the open pit directly in front of the giant LeBron and the side of the Landmark Office Towers (hence, "air rights.")

I agree that this is how things went for many years, but with all the re-investment we've been seeing recently, I really feel like this has begun to change over the past five years or so. For so long, it seems like we were waiting for outside investors or help from the state or federal governments, but in the past five years, we've seen so many local developers and others working to revitalize the core. E. 4th, FEB, the WHD, DCA, the Avenue District... These are all local ideas and money. Stark was actively trying to sell his WHD plan in Vegas just last year. Adam Wasserman et al. came up with a vision for the port. Even Ricky Smith's Airmall plan for Hopkins was a step forward, and to me, shows that we're finally growing a pair, saying "to h*ll with it," and just trying to get things done. Forgive me if that's a bit too rosy a view, but it's just an opinion. :)

I've been checked like this on the rapid, too, but not for a while now.

The label was never applied those places, nor to other places that never had dominant heavy industry, like Indianapolis. Traditionally, it even included New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and most of southern New England, stretching west to Chicago and Milwaukee and north to the "Golden Horseshoe" region of Ontario. Obviously, however, regional definitions are always somewhat nebulous. In my opinion, the Rust Belt moniker is passé for most cities in the region. Even Cleveland and Buffalo have made significant inroads into diversifying their economies. In the Cleveland metro area, for example, manufacturing is no longer the largest employment sector, though it is still above the national average. I'm less familiar with places like Toledo, Dayton, and Detroit. If the economic mix and culture in those places is still similar to what it was in the 70s and 80s, but simply in smaller volumes, then maybe the label still fits.

I agree that that's what the article implied, although I do have to wonder if the FGG used the same line of reasoning when the games were held twice in San Francisco, and in NYC, Chicago, Amsterdam, Vancouver... 8-) (not directed towards you, but rather to the PD's interpretation.) The first time I heard this "we're going someplace we can make a difference" line was in an interview this guy gave a reporter from DC. The reporter basically fed him the idea, and Dahl said something along the lines of, "we always strive to improve the community's image." I guess he's decided to run with that since then. Regardless, I would think that a more valid reason for having the games in Cleveland would be to show that we're just as accepting as any other major city, and to defy the stuffy, conservative Midwestern stereotype. I mean, look at the community support (and not just from the gay community) that Cleveland demonstrated during the site-selection process compared to the other candidate cities. To me, that's evidence that it's the "conventional wisdom" about Cleveland, about Ohio, and the rest of the Midwest that needs changed, rather than ourselves. (Disclaimer: I do think we as a city, state, and region could be more tolerant of diversity, but that's true of the whole country. Even most areas that are stereotyped as "liberal" aren't as tolerant as they could or should be, but I think we're making progress.)

I think that's definitely the way to look at it. While every effort should be made to help these kids get prepared for the rigors of college, there's only so much that this program can do. Something else to think about- I would guess that the majority of those who drop out because they're unprepared would do it after their first year. Those that make it through have probably figured out how much effort it's going to take to succeed in school, and have shown that they can do it. Now we have just over 200 more CMSD grads in college that might not have otherwise been able to afford it, and chances are a large percentage of those 200 are now going to finish their degree either at Tri-C or elsewhere. :clap: I also have to wonder what typical dropout rates are at community or public colleges around the state (or if those numbers are even meaningful, given the large number of non-traditional students that enroll at such schools.)

W. 14th was Jennings Avenue (see today's Jennings Freeway...) Dunno if this has ever been posted on UO, but it's definitely cool and a great resource. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/Clev1906Streets.html